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Was anarchy ever great? Before democracy it was monarchy. Before monarchy it was tribalism.

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There are always trade-offs. No societal structure is perfect. Democracies and monarchies too often embrace slavery, indoctrination, and militarization for extended periods of time while providing a type of social order. Anarchist societies grant more autonomy on an individual level but arguably have a slightly greater risk of internal conflict due to a potential lack of shared beliefs among individuals.

What beneficial tradeoff does being a slave offer? 😅

It doesn't offer any on an individual level but many modern societies were built off the backs of a slave workforce.

And many of these modern societies don't embrace anarchist principles.

that over-simplfies things a bit. There were pockets of 'anarchy' in the colonial era here in the US. Western expansion did not involve the state. Then in Europe there was a small community setup in an abandoned military base in Chritiana, Dnemark that operated autonomously for a few decades until very recerntly and had no official authority structure. All that aside, its not what the meme means.

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You’re right about the early days in the US. Traveling west was like an anarchist’s dream.

another thing, replace the word anarchy with freedom and ask the question again and you will see that yes it is always great, unfortunately there are way too many slave minded people in society

That's true for the most part. Democracies and monarchies can be a good way to create a sort of cohesion but... at the cost of a person's innovative capabilites and mental resilience.

I wouldn't give a damn what type of government it was so long as it was truly voluntary to be under its rule. The not being able to opt out without a lot of blood is where my problem comes in. Were we to revert to The Articles and adhered strictly (although there wasn't much wiggle room in them to begin with which is why they had to go) I honestly would be more than satisfied with that structure since at least its designed for local to have most 'power' and lessens as it goes up. Side note, I've long thought the US is setup already for total decentralization. County borders would make the perfect size autonomous communities with each free to do it however they choose. A 'Murican twist on Hoppe's 10000 Lichtensteins

Yep. We're on the same page. County borders are actually very helpful for Bitcoin adoption, imo. Many in the bitcoin community want to see it take hold across nations near instantly. But, that isn't the best option. It's best to let local communities adopt it as much as possible and then for word to spread across to neighboring ones regarding its success. If this happens, then reliance on the state will gradually (and naturally) decrease. Control the money control the world.

Everyone is so conditioned to top down control that even considering bottom up is like trying to read Aramaic for most

Also, history has proven over and over again that during times of monetary freefall, people always jump to the better currency.

Regardless of state adoption.

This process takes longer than you’d expect though

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It seems somewhat unreasonable to compare the rate of currency adoption during the Roman Empire to the rate of adoption during the digital age that we currently live in. The adoption of a currency is heavily dependent on communication networks. The Roman Empire did not have the blessing (and curse) of having instant communication networks to promote adoption of a particular currency. We have the internet and other media networks to promote a better currency and payment network. The faster that tech advances, the faster humanity does.

Well you referenced the history of money adoption going toward the best money and I just showed you how that process is very slow. Not saying anything else.

That's fine. I was just saying that the speed at which communication networks interact do have a large impact on the rate of currency adoption.

We have yet to see that make a difference though. It’s a reasonable prediction but there is no evidence so far to support it. The dollar should’ve collapsed by now imo.

yea that issue's a whole other headache in itself

As long as people are sheep, freedom will only exist for certain individuals. And I don’t think people will stop being sheep anytime soon unfortunately.

You already live in anarchy within your work relationships, in the market and within your daily interactions you are in anarchy. This is on a micro level, on a macro level we still live under state rules.