It is possible to control taxation such that you see the taxes you pay as an exchange for goods and services. Having read this conversation it seems to me that you think you’re paying a fair tax load for the services you’re receiving and the Beave doesn’t. To some degree your choice of state makes a difference. Pay to live in CA if you love the weather, live in WY if you hate paying taxes and the weather isn’t as important. Federal taxes aren’t 30%, and some military presence is important. It’s not all or none, having lived outside the US, I appreciate, and don’t mind paying for some of what US governance offers. Start a business and learn how to fill out the long form 1040 and required schedules yourself. You will pay less tax and feel better about the taxes you do pay likely. The business doesn’t have to be profitable, in fact it’s better if it isn’t, choose something you do and enjoy anyway, fishing guide, photography, it doesn’t matter. Take the reigns, you aren’t a victim. 😁 👍🏻 @The_Beave

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No, I don’t think we are paying a fair tax load for the goods and services we receive. I think we are getting shafted by high taxes probably as much as anyone. I think taxes should be lower, and I think taxes shouldn’t be spent on nearly as many things as they currently are. But this is not an argument against taxation in general. You can critique the current instantiation of government/taxes. But that is not an argument against government/taxes.

Sales tax makes some sense in the right context, property and income taxes make no sense economically because a tax disincentivizes the activity. Could it be that we just need more pay for use and accountability?

The exact methods with which taxes are collected are up for healthy discussion. I don’t presume to have the answers. Critiques with the current methods are not arguments against taxes in general.

No disagreement here. Same.