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if it can lead to people wanting to sever all ties with their governments in terms of blind obedience and serfdom, then great. i'd be all for that. but the main problem is people will be likely too weak to eat, if they have to put up any fight? but back to your notion

- people do learn by example, so i like where you're going here.

- people are real tired of being hooodwinked by govts, ogliarchies, royal famiies, banking cartels, and so on. the evidence is everywhere.

- people are also blindly unable to change a whole lot about their outcomes for a variety of reasons, dependence on money is one of them, hivemind is another, then you've got stuff like lack of access to education, motivation, even that they know therein life could be better, and actually yearn for it, taking actionable steps towards that, inspiring others. (again hat tip to your point earlier, about an example country.)

at the same time, the banking cartel plays dirty, and it will be very interesting to see if a country can pull this off, country wide - renouncing their memebership in the UN, and whatever other unholy alphabet soups they belong to, nato, or whatever, remain uninvaded, unsubjugated, and so on.

interesting points. thank you.

also, - having people be able to learn from others stories, i absolutely agree this is very useful.

at least here in the united states, most of the people in the town i'm in are either vaccinated and therefore somewhat lobotomized, or they're generally just doing the best they can within the confines of what system is currently in place.

what remains to be seen is what happens when they either change the system, and nobody wants it, or if they just go all along with it, like everything else, like they've been psychologically conditioned to, ala gulag archipelligo, or pavlovian conditioning, or other such things. while i do think people can evolve as a whole, or a large swath of society, in any wholesomely cohesive way- other than widespread adoption of some socio-cultural marketing trope like, if you're under 20 you might be LGBTQ2S+^Pi(r^2), or some such, or any famous marketed propaganda of the last 100 years as an other example, it remains to be seen, in my lifetime, just yet.

here's praying things can change.

Yeah, what we can do is pray, do what we do everyday and raise some freedom loving non-conformist kids that can grow their own food:)

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and get seeds that are real. which may be a problem in a few years.

We don’t have such issues yet in Eastern Europe but the situation might change.

We do grow good amount of food per household yet. Also grandparents often have small garden to keep them busy and they are willingly share products and know how but not so many young people are choosing such life.

Although, for example here, due to the lockdowns and the remote possibilities many young couples moved out to rural areas already.

So whenever the government grip is strong, the natural resistance appears.

God works in mysterious ways :)

note ID copied to text editor so i can reply tomorrow. :) brief version, cool. :) brain turned off an hour ago. :) Yes, our heavenly father certainly does. Amen.