Oh cool. I've never listened to him. Maybe I'll check it out.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3EWIFUOpaM9s7Pmei0r2C3?si=0jDM9E3QTHOtradH1uUbHA&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4rOoJ6Egrf8K2IrywzwOMk
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