IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE NSA, CORPORATE SURVEILLANCE FIRMS, AND THEIR BUDDIES ARE KEEPING COPIES OF EVERYTHING EVEN IF CENTRALIZED SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES HAVE A DELETE BUTTON.

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Yeah, this is unfortunately the industry norm. With the cost of storage being so cheap nothing gets deleted, literally nothing.

This is why I think it's advantageous for nostr to lean into what makes it unique.

If a design goal for nostr is to make it censorship resistant, then it should be difficult to delete messages. That is the point of the system.

Therefore it follows that it should not be used to publish information you don't want seen (or stored indefinitely).

Ah, so to make nostr censorship resistant we should… encourage self-censorship

Right…

As a freedom tech guy and a pusher of privacy.

Are u against the fact that people can delete their notes ?

This one actually took me a moment as well but my interpretation is that he's pointing out the gap between expectations and reality.

Or more specifically, privacy vs the illusion of privacy which is where the real danger lies.

Dont care about people recording me "forever" i only care about things that i can change. I already see that major relays keep all notes no delete forever, if what Odell say is that those relay are from those bureau with three letters.

In a privacy way people should be able to do what they want with "THEIR" notes/stuff.