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Sharing a video from my favorite YouTube channel, which is perfect for fellow seekers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P9srEIovcXE

A note about it : there's a sequence of misunderstandings on display in this video. Not the channel owner - he gets it. There's a crack in the matrix, if you can see the misunderstanding. The only hint I'll give, other than that, is that neither Nietzsche nor Christianity is actually opposed to the other.

JackTheMimic 1y ago

What's interesting to me is that the narrator exposes and expansive depth of Nietzschean philosophy yet seems to betray a very shallow articulation of Christian philosophy. That is to say, simply taking christians at their word and the over-arching christian history. Then, parsing every notion Nietzsche's criticism. That is what stood out to me. Guilt in the aristocrat and resentment in the pauper are common modes of christianity but not explicit to the doctrine.

Morality is simply the expression of idealistic evolution the same as physiological evolution. The correction mechanism being social death as morality is a social phenomenon. The exposure of a Master and Slave Morality only shows that social death is less severe in the Greek philosophy than the Christian one. Either way, interesting video.

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Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

You're on the right track! Nietzsche criticized the dominant form of Christianity, but he understood very well that Jesus taught something different from what the things claiming to be the church taught.

Bill Cypher 1y ago

My read on Nietzsche was that one of his primary issues was Christianity is often viewed as a list of thou shalt nots. A blob on the couch meets that requirement.

By contrast think of stoicism, real stoicism not internet influencoor to lost boys stoicism. The entire philosophy is a set of virtues that you must strive to live up to. Inaction is failure.

There are a few passages where that model doesn't apply, but it is the primary model of instruction given.

As for christians vs what the bible says, if they all arrived at the same place that is surely a failing on the part of an allegedly all knowing beings ability to write a decent instruction manual.

Spring 1y ago

Nietzsche was a joke

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Isn't everything a joke? What causes you to say that, though?

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

He probably did dislike the 'thou shalt not's, but his main gripe was what he called "slave morality" - which is pretty much the opposite of stoicism. An important distinction is that he didn't disagree with Christ - he disagreed with the church. IMO, he understood Christ better than anyone in any physical church. Something I'm seeing is that the church tends to eject anyone who actually understands - and the more constipated the church, for example Catholic or EO, the less tolerant they are of real followers of Christ.

Bill Cypher 1y ago

I agree that his critique of the church is incomplete. We've had another 100 years of the great conversation he didn't have when we point those missing things out. Standing on the shoulders of giants.

As an atheist, I'm currently most interested in the way christians and the church use god and the devil to absolve themselves of personal responsibility. The devil made me do it may be said in jest, but it is a real view that taints how they act in the world. Outside forces beyond their control can force them to act in ways they would not choose to. It is like living with the ultimate case of learned helplessness as your core belief of how the world works.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Interesting perspective. I've fairly recently become a Christian, after being agnostic but spiritually curious for a long time. So far, almost universally, the Christians I've met have been all about taking responsibility. Sometimes annoyingly so... This is also pretty close to that crack in the matrix I mentioned.