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Yes it is. I am more with nostr:npub1wmv28sett8kajksl4dn9rf9ufk7ts42329k83hn0sm34khkacp2q9rcnsr on this even though I believe in God. The “spiritual” has to be contained within the reality as it is. Otherwise it is an exercise in semantics. One cannot describe The Everything anymore than one can describe a void. Atheists err in believing a negative without evidence. Or, put differently, absence of “evidence” (the kind for which they are looking) is not evidence of absence. An atheist has no reason to believe there is nothing. But nostr:npub1wmv28sett8kajksl4dn9rf9ufk7ts42329k83hn0sm34khkacp2q9rcnsr’s arguments strike me as agnostic, not atheistic. And the deepest agnosticism is a path to God IMO.

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William ₿ Travis 5mo ago

I'm with you on the virtue of agnosticism. It is more honest than atheism.

I disagree with you though, if I'm reading it right, that the spiritual has to be contained in reality the way it is. I think there are myriad false assumptions loaded into that statement, including that reality is only what we can sense with our physical sensors, or that the physical world is the majority part of our existence. We have an additional sense that we sometimes call intuition that tells us there's more to existence than the material. That sense is grounded in the pineal gland, which is what helps us sense God. There's plenty of reading on that.

Agnosticism, in my view, is merely a starting point on a longer journey, which can lead to a wider awareness of what is (think Plato's cave). But when it is a state of being, it is an indicator that there's a problem with that humans soul that actually might start in the brain.

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Chris Liss 5mo ago

By “reality” I do not mean the materialist version of it. “Materials” are not even material in that naive and narrow sense. So I agree that there is more than meets the eye, so to speak, but that more is of reality itself not something beyond it.

The true agnostic lets go of narrow materialist assumptions and concepts and the more he does so the more room he makes for what can be thought of as God.

William ₿ Travis 5mo ago

It's very difficult to let go of narrow materialistic assumptions. People clearly struggle with a lack of understanding of transcendental realities and why the source of those realities are important.

The other thing, and spiritually sensitive people will confirm, there is a detectable "voice" that is supernatural. Not everyone is capable of hearing that voice since it, in the view of many, doing so depends on a functioning pineal gland.

As to the voice itself, I will assert that there's a hierarchy within the voice (in other words, it is multiple voices), and the highest one is God. That one voice is called the Word and is synonymous with love (why the understanding the transcedentals is so critical).

I don't expect an agnostic to understand this, but millions of people throughout history have with no difficulty.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

It is difficult to let go of those assumptions. But it’s also difficult to make space for God if you have a bunch of religious or spiritual assumptions too.