You think Russia would be in the position to attack them with violence for voluntary joining their neighbour's to seek protection?

I see just flawed logic here but we don't have to agree on everything.

And as someone else said I have zero business talking about this as I'm not slavic

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I don't see flawed logic. I see arrogant neocons who could have had peace but wanted to dominate instead. There has never been any proof that Russia wants to invade Europe. What is more likely is corrupt US bureaucrats wanted to line their pockets. Can't do that through the war machine if there is no war.

Man, Dugin wrote an entire book about it, are you serious?

We know for a fact what the neocon plan was, and it had nothing to do with "Russian plans". The docs from the 1990s are all available. They wanted to be the only superpower. Reagan wanted glastnost and trade. But Bush's deep state had no interest in it. They saw Yelstin as a weak drunk and decided to take advantage of it. There hasn't been a president until now who has even talked of peace. Of course it wasn't up to them. it was up to the deep state players who were trying to box Russia in for their own interests.

But I'll say this, if the fascist Europeans (read Germans and British) are so worried about Russia, they can deal with it themselves. I wouldn't support a dime of American money going to another European war. it's a terrible waste.

Dugan's book came after the deep state established it's anti-Russian policies. Russians could argue that our aggression came first at a time when we could have been integrating them into the west. Dugan also argued for the dismantling of China, which Russia shows no sign of pursuing. I find it far more compelling that Russia has been reacting to the US and not the other way around.

The Anti Russian attitude comes from the same people who led the sovjet army in the beginning as they spread over the west after ww2.

Why exaclty need Ukrainian Childrens Hospitals to be bombed now?

What has the average Ukrainian Child done to Putin that it has to live under bomb threats and sirens on the daily?

What have they done thay they have to go to school underground in bomb shelters?

I'm a child who was raised by parents who lived under faggot italian fascism, where they had to hide in basements to sectetly study their mother tongue because the italians prohibited it to them after occupying the country they lived in.

They try to erase their identity, their culture, their language and forcefully taking control over them and integrating them into their sphere of influence.

I exactly see this happening again and this is why I speak out against this

Zelenskyy doesn't care about Ukrainian children. He's handed over an entire generation to the war machine. Ukraine is dead as a result. Meanwhile, the Germans and the English are now happily oppressing their people for "hate speech." The problem isn't Russia. It's the WEF elite who want to take the continent for themselves, damn the people.

The war could have ended two years ago in Ukraine with a peace deal, but Biden and Boris Johnson were given instructions not to end it. Like good lap dogs, the scuttled the deal.

You all always act like if someone criticizes Putin that this person is somehow on the other side or in support of the opposing forces, this is simply not reality

As if Russia is some sort of paradise which only you are able to see and everyone else just paints it black because they are evil.

As a libertarian I tell you one thing, as much as I despise western politics and politicians, as I see they try as much as they can to centralize control over finance and speech, I know who their role model is. It's models like the north korean one, the chinese one.

And by my life I do not want to be on that side of the isle, currently and over the last 60 years the west has always been freer as the east.

As if the communist past wasn't enough you act as if russia is a safe heaven for free speech, free society.

Russia is the Aggressor in this case and yes, Maidan, Nazis on both sides, we heard those stories over and over again.

Is Putin attacking Ukraines Politicians? Or who is dying in the trenches, in the dirt through man made horrors beyond comprehension?

It's the average guy that is in many cases forced by their collectivist leaders on BOTH sides.

the west isn't freer than the east now. The west is no longer interested in the common man and woman. we're hanging on in the US, but that's because we're armed. European fascism is always bubbling under the surface.

It's very clear now that you have no idea what you are talking about, discussion ends here for me.

lol. and it appears you do not understand America at all.