I’ve been looking at how clients manage user relay preferences and I see a lot of “common public relay” constants being used as a fall back if they can’t find a kind 3 contact list with relays on it.

I think clients unifying on publishing and using kind 10002 relay lists for users would help. But as you already know that requires everyone being more strict and folks tend to not do that.

By tomorrow I’m going to make it so that on https://relay.guide you can create, publish, and manage relay lists for all the clients that respect it. Hopefully more clients move towards using it.