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Why I don't particularly like PUAs:

It has nothing to do with moral-fagging - as you know, I don't care.

The problem is that they're advocating for becoming something you don't really want to be, for dubious rewards.

If you pay attention, the advice involves changing your behavior to be more attractive to a certain type (young, hedonistic) of woman.

But men arguably should become more of what they want to be and less of what others might temporarily find attractive. Somehow it happens that strong men who are just minding their own business attract plenty of female attention anyway, because the female will to power leads them to want to seduce men who have something going on.

Also, the PUAs are too focused on sex in general. This might make sense if you are 22, at the peak of your physical prowess, and your chief aim in life is fornication. At age 40, that might not make as much sense.

But arguably, even 22 year old men could make better use of their time, although their insistent sex drives might make that hard at times.

Last but not least, it's hard to verify just how successful the methods will be. Anyone can say anything online, but the great teacher is experience. From personal experience, I think PUA techniques can certainly give you a temporary advantage but the success rate is never going to be 100%.

It also just might be a matter of passion - either you can make yourself care enough to pursue that way of life, or you can't. Some of us here would struggle with maintaining the passion.

Going to the gym or to dance classes, you can be around hot women and feel energized by them (that's one effect they do have) without the troubles of more risky behavior. But you decide what's right for you.

In sum, there's nothing inherently wrong with PUA but you must follow your own inclinations as to whether there's anything there for you in the grand scheme of your life. It may be that they just give you some general principles to follow vis-a-vis women that, had you not learned, would put you in danger (like being a simp, marrying a whore, and then having your life ruined). In that case I guess it's a public service.

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Dissident Sound 7mo ago

there are two parts to PUA

1 - understanding women

2 - getting them to spread their legs

the first part is useful to every man. the second part only to somebody who requires this kind of validation.

when i was in high school my spic English teacher said that guys who sleep with lots of women do so because they have low self esteem ... i couldn't understand it then, but i understand it now.

because back then i was romantic and Naive and loved girls and thought that guys who get a lot of pussy are like me just more successful - namely that they fall in love with girls like me with the difference that the girls love them back - so how can this be bad ?

except they do NOT love girls they sleep with. they are driven by one of two things:

1 - ( at best ) the need for validation ( what my spic teacher was talking about ) that is being able to tell other guys about all the hotties you're banging, so other guys look up to you even if you aren't good at anything else

2 - ( sadly quite likely ) sadism. they may simply do it for the pleasure they feel in destroying relationships. you fuck a girl who has a loving BF causing them to break up now you hurt them both AND you feel righteous about it because it just means the girl was a whore and the guy was a simping cuck so they both got what they deserve.

there was a low-tier PUA on X a few accounts back who said that "you MUST always hurt betas" - i asked him why it was so important to hurt betas and all his followers ganged up on me with comments along the lines of " because fuck you Beta ! "

of course higher tier PUAs aren't stupid enough to say something like this openly, but they likely know that this is what most of their followers are really after.

one reason i follow Gary is because i am not getting these sadistic vibes from him. he seems genuinely passionate about the SCIENCE of Game, rather than driven by need for validation or sadism as most PUAs are.