Nostr Web Client

I agree with that first stuff: fewer, less time tested, dns dependent (you can specify IP addresses though). And even worse you can only have one endpoint, and you can't change it without losing the relay's reputation.

I think they are cheap to run though. And don't have to also be service providers. I wrote chorus to be a personal relay so everybody could be on their own personal relay.

Sounds like you are arguing for decoupling resolution from service providing, and providing resolution where it can't be boycotted/censored. Sure you did that. But at some point there has to be a service provider so the problem is just conveniently pushed over to them.

You can change providers in Nostr and Email both, but not Mastodon.

Nuh 5mo ago 💬 1

I am arguing for the decoupling, but not as a novelty, we have a history of Internet and web architecture to support this decoupling as an important principle. Nostr ignored that because it was designed to serve one purpose (social media) where highly contextualised posts are the norm.

Of course now the revision of "nostr is for the other stuff and fix the web" is here because the social media usecase stalled, but here is where i come to be annoying and say no stop, the mess that was made while assuming social media, doesn't fit when you are trying to fix the web.

If you want to fix the web, you should fix DNS, because that is the only minimal layer that actually can be decentralised at scale, and is sufficient for all small world applications.

Anyways I don't think we have disagreements. I just wanted to defend DHTs honor from even more misunderstandings, not by you, but by people who would have read your posts and took them at face value.

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 5mo ago 💬 1

I'm sorry my post looked like a shit take on DHTs. I was really kinda pissed at the many claims I was reading from John that people are retards and nostr is highly censorable whereas pubky is perfect and uncensorable. So in that shitty mode with a desire to knock him down a peg I tried to make a subtle point that on first blush sounds entirely like I was making a different point. And that happens when I post hastily.

Big Bad John 5mo ago

Understandable, but it was still your attempt to correct me, and I don't think you really did in the end.

A lot of people were extremely retarded this week, nostr is highly censorable at scale (which was my actual claim in most instances i think), and it can still be argued that pubky's design could overall fix the web.

Maybe there are other claims i made you didnt address, and i know my style is difficult, but my behavior and claims were all sincere.