I don't understand why there is all this conspicuous effort to bring the hard left into bitcoin
1. If they had a use for it, they'd already be here.
2. There's already a massive amount of bitcoin locked up and off exchanges, so non-progressives already vastly overpower them economically. It's done. The progressives already here are welcome to stay. Bitcoin is for everyone,, but pls keep your fruitless mewling in the closet.
im a lefty. bitcoin is for everyone.
Dont agitate for a fork, and we will get along just fine
gfy 😉
I'm here for the next fork war 🫡
im down to fork to fix the taproot and the segwit vulnerabilities that allows inscriptions to exploit witness data.
That's totally something a leftist would say 😂
we already know you're a big blocker. this was discovered the other night in Nests. of course you don't like forks. the last time bitcoin forked, you lost.
Let's keep that on the DL
I need to recover my losses by speculating correctly on the next fork 😂
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Split-Speculator-Dilemma
fine with me brother. the past is the past.
We both hate the ordinals. I disagree that the "we have to do something about the damage we've sustained now" mentality is the right approach. Maybe if it broke layer 2, I'd see it as more urgent. But agitation for a fork has a high risk of yet further unanticipaydd externalities, and (if you were around for the blocksize war) you should know that it carries an even greater risk of damaging the human consensus of what bitcoin is.
I'm mostly just annoyed to have to watch the ordinals deviants speed run all the bad shitcoin ideas on bitcoin as a cynical last-ditch money grab for scammers who can see the "crypto" party is running out of gas.
After all that is over and done, maybe some actual use case will stick around, but I doubt it. And even after that, I think we should try everything we can at the node-and-social layer before we start crusading for code changes. Bitcoin is a lot bigger and a lot more technically ignorant than it was during the blocksize war, and you may not like what sort of consensus arises out of that swamp.
i don't like ordinals either. it's sad to see the shitcoin narratives playing out on bitcoin. however, i realized back in February that i don't have to like it. what kind of asshole would i be if i told someone how to use bitcoin? i also have hope that given enough time, the narratives play themselves out as they run out of money or the shitcoining gets too expensive.
no need to single out any views or encourage gatekeeping Bitcoin.
right. imagine saying you can't use bitcoin because you think differently. 😆 typical.
Im just mostly saying it seems to be a real waste of energy, which you weirdos seem to be particularly sensitive about
wow. what's going on this morning man? have a rough night sleep? maybe take a step back and stretch for a bit.
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I don’t know precisely what you mean by leftist (the spectrum is almost meaningless) but wanting a larger government with more spending might make it difficult to adopt Bitcoin. Hard money and financial insanity are mortal enemies. Obviously anyone can use Bitcoin but certain opinions could make it harder or easier to embrace Bitcoin.
I, for one, would love to hear how you contort prrogressivism into a model that constrains money supply and, consequently, spending.
It seems natural that the first point of agitation that a progressive bitcoin bloc would adopt is the supply cap.
socially progressive, financially conservative.
Yeah that slow-rolling shitshow is called libertarianism, and there's no consensus to be found about what "social progress" is there. Some see it as the state stepping back and letting people buy fentanti as an appetizer and some see it as subsidized protection from consequences
Lol *fentanyl
I think there’s general consensus among libertarians that people should have rights and freedom.
Do what you want with your own property and don’t touch mine without permission.
It makes sense, but it provides no governance toolkit for externalities outside of "lol just sue your billionaire corporate neighbor if he treads on you"
It also, taken to its extremes, ascribes absolute agency to any person with a heartbeat, regardless of age or mental firmness.
Yes, every human has agency but that doesn’t mean that children should be able to do anything an adult can. There is a difference between a child and an adult which I think almost everyone recognizes.
Yes, a strong rule of law applied equally regardless of power or money would be fantastic. What other tools are you talking about?
Couldn’t that be better described as libertarian? You want people to be able to live their lives as they see fit both socially and financially without government intervention telling them what they can and can’t do as long as they aren’t hurting others?
circular arguments ?
I'm curious where the demarcation line is in your view , between the social and the financial ... ?
i didnt see where he said that can you kindly point it out ?
and "typical" of what exactly ?
Just like their right wing counterparts, non-statist lefties (the ones who actually have brains of their own) have been here for years and years, my friend. You just may mot have noticed them.
Oh Im aware of them. They are just not legion. Which is fine and predictable.
You don't think? They wouldnt have to be so try-hard about onboarding, and they wouldnt be griping about having to be timid, if it weren't the case.
Been in the space for 7 years now, I feel like this effort comes from a place of self-preservation, of trying to avoid a direct confrontation. I have no direct evidence but my gut feeling tells me this effort comes from center-right positions and has been premeditated.
O my observation of the left has been that, once they reach a threshold of numbers, they feel absolutely comfortable, not just airing their views, but demanding their views become canon.
I understand precisely why you’re saying that as that’s what we’re all observing in the world these days.
However, I do not think that’s a flaw inherent to the left. I’m afraid the same phenomenon can be observed in certain right wing positions/movements.
Personally, I have zero desire of playing those silly games.
Actually, I think the difference in mindset is a critical component. Conservative philosophy resists change, top-down orgabization and favors self-composure. It is an ideal fit for a protocol that requires overwhelming consensus and resists authority. Sure conservatism-run-amok looks just as much like shit as progressivism does today, but the core philosophy is a natural match.
Maybe you’re right, but, imo, if you carefully examine some mainstream leftist positions these days you’ll be able to empirically observe a ton of resistance to change.
All of this is very nuanced. But what do I now, anyway.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I see it as a demand to constantly expand what human behavior is free of consequence, no matter how many people must be fired, cajoled, intimidated, and cancelled to make it happen. The resistance to "change" is just a resistance to acknowledging there is a debate about externalities
ye, sure, xi jiping says agreed.
