Despotic Niceness

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Nice guys are famous for their failures in dating. They spend a lot of money to show their generosity, they will agree to almost everything women ask and of course, they never get the girl. They get frustratingly friendzoned. They fantasize that their crush will come back miraculously, like in a romantic comedy. As they grow old, they grow bitter, angry that women don’t know what’s good for them as they drown their wrath and despair in porn.

Why don’t nice guys get the girl? What’s so incredibly unattractive about them?

They’re agreeable and give the girl everything she wants. Yet they’re also indecisive, preferring others make decisions so they can absolve themselves of responsibility. They’re also boring. They’re as bland as a slice of Wonder Bread and about as creative. Lacking a strong and grounded identity, they are nice in the hopes that girls will reciprocate. They exude sliminess as they try to hack into the position of boyfriend.

They are using despotic niceness.

Manipulation

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Despotic niceness is a form of manipulation. It’s using the norms around niceness to get what you want. Despotic niceness is passive-aggressive quid pro quo. Nice guys are waiting for girls to reciprocate like a charity that gives you pre-printed return labels. The norms of niceness demand that nice people reciprocate. Anyone that doesn’t reciprocate is considered a jerk.

Many women also use despotic niceness. They’ll be friendly to a guy that clearly wants to date them and count on his reciprocating niceness. They’ll get help moving, get rescued financially and use him as an emotional crutch. The guy reciprocates the very mild niceness to signal that they’re nice. The women use the guy’s hope of further reciprocation to string the guy along.

Despotic niceness is not only a weapon in dating, however. At work, a nice boss will ask you to do something unpleasant as “a team player.” Your family member who keeps screwing up will keep getting bailed out as a “loving” relative. Even the government tells you that as a citizen, you should support war because it’s “patriotic”. The truth is that nice people manipulate and aren’t so virtuous as they seem.

Not a Virtue

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Nice comes from the Latin word nescire, which means to not know, to be ignorant. Over the centuries, the word evolved to mean agreeable because ignorant people are easily manipulated. In modern parlance, niceness means being purposefully ignorant. We pretend that a hideous haircut looks good because we are nice. We pretend that we like our boss’s joke because we are nice. Niceness is a dishonest public persona, a fakeness for the sake of fitting in.

How did we end up here? Why are we purposefully ignorant for the sake of agreeableness?

Tool of Compliance

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Think about the structure of society. Overseers of any classroom, company or government organization need a way to keep order. One way to keep order is to get everyone disciplined, like in an army. The other way is through a cultural norm of niceness. Niceness lets overseers keep order through expected reciprocation. The hard work of discipline can be avoided if each person identifies as being nice.

Such an environment becomes despotic because it limits the realm of thought. Nice people don’t offend, so it’s difficult for them to even think certain thoughts. What’s inoffensive becomes the acceptable range of possible thoughts and that defines the Overton Window. Niceness as an identity trait means a very limited palette of thoughts from which new thoughts emerge. Creative thoughts are hard because they might be offensive. It wouldn’t be nice.

This is why nice guys are boring. They are predictably bland because their range of thought is limited.

Kind and Honest, not Boring and Cowardly

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Stop being nice. Be honest and kind instead. Nice is not being honest nor kind because neither of those expects reciprocation. Real honesty and real kindness require virtues like courage, love and justice. Niceness is not only fake, manipulative and despotic but also dull, limiting and cowardly.

Be honest. Don’t be purposefully ignorant indulging in polite fictions. Tell the truth, even when it’s going to be offensive. Especially when it’s offensive. It’s okay if they get upset. Sometimes that rage is a form of despotic niceness coming out. Other times, it’s despair. In a society full of niceness, honesty is rare and valued by mature people.

Be kind. Telling the truth is brutally difficult, especially when the norm is niceness. Kindness is telling the truth in a loving way. It’s not minimizing the brutality of the truth. That’s niceness sneaking back in. Kindness is doing so gently and in a way the other person can receive it.

Ground yourself in truth and love, not in fitting in by being nice. To be honest and kind requires character, maturity and grounding.

You’ll need to work on yourself instead of relying on others’ reciprocation. You’re going to grow up. And it’ll get you more dates than being a nice guy.

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The lines are often far more blurry than this. Good points though 🤙🏻

Good read and spot on! I like the differentiation between nice and kind, because this plays an important role. I’d consider myself kind but other people often get offended by me because they consider me rude or rough. But this is basically what you are talking about - Honesty is key and a lot of people rather choose to get opinions they want to get from others than receiving honest thoughts. This is basically a huge problem for the individual because it leads to stagnation.

What do you think is the key driver to make people thankful for honesty and kindness again?

Solid Post

Haha, you're killing me with the analogy of nice guys waiting for girls to reciprocate like charity handing out pre-printed return labels.

I recently discovered an YouTuber that said exactly what you're talking about: nice guys are not authentic. It's a way of manipulation: giving others what they want so they themselves can get what they want in reciprocation. Be kind and authentic, not "nice".

Just a kindly suggest: to avoid spamming our feed with a very long note, you could write a heading in the first note and then the post in the reply.

I prefer the long note, as I don't need to exit the app and see a bunch of advertisements on another site. Also, try out some other clients, mine only shows the first few lines with a show more button. It takes up the same space.

You don’t need to exit the app if the long post is a reply to the first note with just the heading. That said, I should try something else then Damus.

I get ya, however, that is also fraught with problems. Maybe it's just the two clients I use, they don't organise posts really well. When others do as you say, their second post gets lost in all the replies.

Women are financial liabilities. Avoid at all cost and buy bitcoin instead

Post divorce this is an accurate statement, no bitterness just a truth!

Thank you Jimmy… starting my day with this was unexpected but interesting and really makes me reconsider past interactions, relationships, and colleagues.

The strangeness of interactions found in everyday exchanges can leave people feeling obligated, unsure, or confused on what reaction to give (particularly to a female). Fear of loneliness, the need to be loved, and poor sense of self can drive a good person willingly to their knees. They may sense something is off but they’ve bought their train ticket. The fact that they’re moving swiftly to a destination can override their senses. Grounding of the self is absolutely what is needed. What a world we find ourselves in. A man finding the ground is becoming increasingly difficult. The examples of this are fading and the models of healthy relationships are evolving into a distant echo of the past. A grounded, mature man, certainly commands respect. Some days it seems hard to find authenticity. Whether it’s self-expression and personal fulfillment, or a greater emphasis on social conformity and fitting in with societal norms. It may be that being a “nice guy” is becoming a societal norm. I’m with you on this and hoping for the best of humanity. There seems to be a shift on the horizon. I’m hoping it’s not a mirage <3

The strangeness of interactions found in everyday exchanges can leave people feeling obligated, unsure, or confused on what reaction to give (particularly to a female). Fear of loneliness, the need to be loved, and poor sense of self can drive a good person willingly to their knees. They may sense something is off but they’ve bought their train ticket. The fact that they’re moving swiftly to a destination can override their senses. Grounding of the self is absolutely what is needed. What a world we find ourselves in. A man finding the ground is becoming increasingly difficult. The examples of this are fading and the models of healthy relationships are evolving into a distant echo of the past. A grounded, mature man, certainly commands respect. Some days it seems hard to find authenticity. Whether it’s self-expression and personal fulfillment, or a greater emphasis on social conformity and fitting in with societal norms. It may be that being a “nice guy” is becoming a societal norm. I’m with you on this and hoping for the best of humanity. There seems to be a shift on the horizon. I’m hoping it’s not a mirage <3

The strangeness of interactions found in everyday exchanges can leave people feeling obligated, unsure, or confused on what reaction to give (particularly to a female). Fear of loneliness, the need to be loved, and poor sense of self can drive a good person willingly to their knees. They may sense something is off but they’ve bought their train ticket. The fact that they’re moving swiftly to a destination can override their senses. Grounding of the self is absolutely what is needed. What a world we find ourselves in. A man finding the ground is becoming increasingly difficult. The examples of this are fading and the models of healthy relationships are evolving into a distant echo of the past. A grounded, mature man, certainly commands respect. Some days it seems hard to find authenticity. Whether it’s self-expression and personal fulfillment, or a greater emphasis on social conformity and fitting in with societal norms. It may be that being a “nice guy” is becoming a societal norm. I’m with you on this and hoping for the best of humanity. There seems to be a shift on the horizon. I’m hoping it’s not a mirage <3

The strangeness of interactions found in everyday exchanges can leave people feeling obligated, unsure, or confused on what reaction to give (particularly to a female). Fear of loneliness, the need to be loved, and poor sense of self can drive a good person willingly to their knees. They may sense something is off but they’ve bought their train ticket. The fact that they’re moving swiftly to a destination can override their senses. Grounding of the self is absolutely what is needed. What a world we find ourselves in. A man finding the ground is becoming increasingly difficult. The examples of this are fading and the models of healthy relationships are evolving into a distant echo of the past. A grounded, mature man, certainly commands respect. Some days it seems hard to find authenticity. Whether it’s self-expression and personal fulfillment, or a greater emphasis on social conformity and fitting in with societal norms. It may be that being a “nice guy” is becoming a societal norm. I’m with you on this and hoping for the best of humanity. There seems to be a shift on the horizon. I’m hoping it’s not a mirage <3

I agree Jimmy. Honesty and kindness. Good post :) I really enjoy reading them, please keep them coming.

Good read, thanks for sharing

Jimmy love the article. Jesus was not nice. I also think you could do a similar article on extremism. It makes me nauseous when people disparage others for being "far" right or "far" left or being an "extremist." As long you as stay in the middle of the road (the wide road of destruction in my book) then you have admirable character or views? ?? no thanks! I want to be kindness and justice extremist!

Hey Jimmy, have you checked out some of the nostr blogging platforms? I think long form content like this and your substack could find a home with either BlogStack or Habla News

https://thebitcoinmanual.com/articles/nostr-blogging/

grown ass man

Jimmy Song bringing the heat! 🔥🔥🔥

Brilliant. As soon as I can zap on Damus gotta send sats for you sharing this gem. Thank you 🙏

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