I see Ancap as utopian through the state, with minarchism we improve but it isn't the end

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Yeah states probably the best we can do

Utopian if we achieve it through the state? I would agree if that's what you mean. Sorry, brain fog today.

Yeah, exactly, minarchism to get to ANCAP is a scam, you only make a state smaller and more efficient and eliminate the citizens' incentive to eliminate it… that’s my point

Even those who believe that through this route it is possible... stopping in minarchism is not an option