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When I steelman both sides of the core vs knots debate, this is the image that comes to mind when I combine them.

Filters serve a valid function to a node runner who wants to frustrate spam.

No filters serve a valid function to a node runner who wants the most accurate picture of what is going on blocks anyways.

What sticks out is not the differences, but what unifies them.

Most importantly, whether or not a node runner uses filters or not, everyone participating in bitcoin is swimming in the same treacherous waters. Real risk.

Do I have this right?

Is this the reality we all exist in?

Are we wasting our breath arguing over whether or not someone wants an umbrella?

When that comes at the cost of focusing on the water and building consensus to address the risks that unify us all?

#bitcoin #nostr #core #knots #madness

Orange Dad 3mo ago

My technical limits in bitcoin are at the edge of running a node and sending and receiving bitcoin on chain. Past that I’m still learning.

With that as background, I thought I’d share this post because it’s roughly what my understanding is.

For a new pleb dad like me no one has clearly explained why a 1000x bigger op_return makes bitcoin better, more robust, more anti-fragile, for my kids (and their kids). But there does seem to be a real risk of having CSAM on the blockchain, and thus my node, and in the U.S. that can get me sent to prison.

This is a genuine question. I’m curious to hear what others have to say.

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Neal 3mo ago

There is already illicit material on chain.

Current US legal precident says that doesn’t reach the bar.

Bogi 3mo ago

Ok... The mempool is definitely a cache but the full blockchain could still be up for interpretation?

Bogi 3mo ago

I can see it both ways... So I guess it's a matter of defending your position in the Supreme Court I guess

Neal 3mo ago

i don’t know what the legal definition of “cached file” is, but i think the chain would common sense be cached. we don’t have control over those files, you dont do anything with those files, and you still have to go beyond to do extra work to find that data, and know how to pull it out.

oddly, of all the potential fights to have with bitcoin, this is probably one of the more straight forward ones.

if someone randomly sent your a text of binary 0s and 1s that is the data for an elicit image, the court makes their case by arguing you know what that is and you know what to do with it.

either way, i don’t think the fight as even begun. when fiat is on the ropes, how could we expect anything but for them to pull out all the stops

Bogi 3mo ago

Cached basically means temporary... kinda the opposite of the blockchain which is permanent (exception for re-orgs)

Neal 3mo ago

i guess if it’s pruned it’s temp 🤣

Orange Dad 3mo ago

These are both super helpful.

I’ve listened to X/Twitter spaces where Joe is holding court and while he’s obviously smart - much smarter than me - this is by far the most useful thing he’s shared. Thanks for sending this!

Neal 3mo ago

if you knew what block, and had used your knowledge to pull it out, then that’s possession

and if the legal system was changed to be used as an attack vector, then we have to fight the law.