Disagree. Nostr is a maximal freedom protocol. Too many people struggling with what this means today.

#FreePrimal

Think about it. Don't like a client or relay? Build your own or use another. That's what Nostr is. Not forcing an arbitrary opinion of what the entire experience should be.

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> Not forcing an arbitrary opinion of what the entire experience should be.

So Ralf should be unable to Trend on Primal or Most Zapped because someone manipulated his post? He didn't do it. That's fucked up.

That specific note? Sure. Fine. So you're telling me if a spammer targets me, then I get shadowbanned?

Like punishing the victim for a crime.

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I'm not saying I agree with Primal. I don't use it.

But I agree, 100% and uncompromisingly so, their ability, right and function to use this protocol, Nostr, within capabilities, to do *whatever* they darn well please.

This. Is. freedom.

The protocol is neutral. Someone used the word 'agnostic'.

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Does this sort of suck for Ralf? Yeah. He's a good guy. But whats the solution? The clients are policed to behave a certain way by.... whom? And why?

Freedom is uncomfortable at times. But there's nothing wrong with Nostr. Primal just wants to play it like that. Keeping this open to neutrality is better than the alternatives.

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So, Primal doesn’t understand freedom and it’s all our fault for not understanding freedom?

I checked back and you were freaking out about Trezor/Wasabi a couple days ago. But.. but..

Bitcoin is a maximal freedom protocol. You seemed to be struggling with that a couple days ago.

#FreeTrezor

Think about it. Don’t like a hardware wallet, build your own. That’s what Bitcoin is

Full stop!

See by using your logic, I’m conflating the free protocol of Bitcoin with the poor actions of a separate but related entity. Bitcoin was not the problem with Trezor/Wasabi. Trezor is. Nostr is not the problem with Primal. Primal is.

Both should be called out and discussed, without conflating them with the parent protocol.

Fair point.

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🫂 haha. I changed my view now. Well articulated point.

♥️ Cheers bro! Regardless of whether you had agreed or not, it’s so fresh to be around people that come together. This is why I love nostr and desperately hope it succeeds.