[European security in the conception of Michael Gorbachev] meant not NATO, which is a military institution but a common European home from Vladiwostok to Lisbon and built on non military institutions.

Katharina van den Heuvel, publisher The Nation, Washington Post columnist talking to Zain Raza on the German alternative show acTVism Munich

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