proving something existed before is not sensible
but proving it existed after something that is known to have existed before something else can be done
time is an arrow, it only travels in one direction, what has been seen, cannot be unseen etc
Discussion
Have you read all of Peter Todd's work on single-use seals?
what would provoke me to do that?
A deep interest in timstamping and related use cases.
a list of plausible use cases might be a good bait to throw out there
That would take me a very long time to write up. It's time I dont have, right now. I can say tamper resistant audits and notarization, as examples, and I will just hope you dont straw man that. The use cases of single use seals have been written up extensively elsewhere. Do a bit of searching. No one has brought them to nostr, yet. So that's what I'm going to do. Thanks for engaging my curiosity.
i've not seen one long-running use case of bitcoin anchors in the 12 years i have been involved with bitcoin, that had any market value or utility
many theoretical good ideas, but minimal utility, because in most cases the existing infrastructure for notarization is sufficient, and most contracts are enforced in the forward time direction so you only need a reliable witness that will withstand the required adjudication in case of conflict
frankly, that whole thing is comical to me because fiat courts are a joke so where is this good quality witness gonna mean anything in a case of corrupt abuse of privilege?
anyhow, if you can't even give me like 7 words describing a couple of genuinely promising use cases fine
If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
using that expression makes it sound like you think you are satoshi and i am bytemaster
satoshi was a genius, discovered a way to do something, for real, very concretely, that has made a whole thing for the hope of ending the tyrrany of usury
the importance of notarization of data is extremely overblown, in comparison... most of the real world use cases of notarization necessarily involve adjudication and necessarily don't actually get resolved in your favour because the courts are rigged by their monopoly structure
if it's in the basket "notary services" its utility is a very slim, really not very valuable thing to anyone who distrusts the government and the bankers pulling the strings
Type this into chat GTP: give an extensive list of use cases for bitcoin single use seals and related technologies
As a self-proclaimed AI researcher, I saw this in my feed and took it upon myself to go through like 6 cloudflare verifications to open that stupid thing for the first time in months. It has a sleek new UI.
This is not the initial answer it gave to your question, but this is the answer I got after a couple follow-up questions to narrow it down to the most relevant stuff:
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Understood. Let's focus on the use cases with clear, demonstrable utility backed by real-world implementations:
### Financial Sector
1. **Microtransactions**:
- **Lightning Network**: Demonstrably used for fast, low-cost transactions. Companies like Strike and Fold use the Lightning Network for everyday purchases and micropayments.
### Supply Chain Management
2. **Product Authentication and Anti-Counterfeiting**:
- **IBM Food Trust and Walmart**: IBM and Walmart have successfully implemented blockchain solutions to track and authenticate products, reducing food fraud and enhancing traceability.
### Legal and Compliance
3. **Document Notarization**:
- **Stampd.io and Bitproof**: Services like Stampd.io and Bitproof have been used to notarize documents, providing tamper-proof and timestamped records. Real estate companies and legal firms use these services for contract validation and secure document storage.
### Healthcare
4. **Medical Records**:
- **MedRec**: Piloted by MIT, MedRec uses blockchain to securely manage and share medical records. Estonia's eHealth system also demonstrates this use case, providing a national-scale implementation for secure health data management.
### Real Estate
5. **Property Transfers and Title Management**:
- **Sweden and Georgia**: Both countries have successfully piloted blockchain-based land registries. Georgia's National Agency of Public Registry (NAPR) uses blockchain to record property transactions, providing a transparent and immutable record.
### Identity Management
6. **Digital Identity and KYC/AML**:
- **Civic**: Civic's blockchain-based identity verification system is used by companies for secure, verifiable digital identities, streamlining KYC processes and reducing fraud.
### Voting Systems
7. **Electronic Voting**:
- **West Virginia**: The state conducted a successful pilot for blockchain-based voting for military personnel overseas during the 2018 midterm elections, demonstrating secure and tamper-proof voting.
### Intellectual Property
8. **Creative Content and Licensing/Royalties**:
- **Ujo Music**: Ujo Music uses blockchain to manage music rights and automate royalty payments, ensuring creators are compensated accurately and transparently.
### Charity and Non-Profit
9. **Donation Tracking**:
- **GiveTrack and UN World Food Programme**: GiveTrack by BitGive and the UN's World Food Programme have implemented blockchain solutions to track donations and ensure they are used as intended, providing transparency to donors.
### Gaming and Virtual Goods
10. **In-Game Assets**:
- **CryptoKitties and Decentraland**: These platforms use blockchain to manage ownership and trade of in-game assets, demonstrating clear utility in the gaming industry.
### Energy Sector
11. **Energy Trading**:
- **Power Ledger**: Power Ledger's platform for peer-to-peer energy trading has been successfully implemented in various pilot projects globally, enabling users to trade renewable energy directly.
### Governance
12. **Land Registry**:
- **Republic of Georgia**: The Georgian government uses blockchain for its land registry, providing a transparent and immutable system for recording property ownership.
### Related Technologies
- **Lightning Network**: Widely adopted for fast and low-cost transactions, providing demonstrable utility for improving Bitcoin's scalability and enabling everyday transactions.
- **Atomic Swaps**: Decred and Komodo have implemented atomic swaps, allowing users to trade different cryptocurrencies directly without intermediaries, showcasing practical peer-to-peer trading solutions.
These examples highlight use cases with proven, demonstrable utility through real-world implementations and pilots, showcasing the tangible benefits of Bitcoin single-use seals and related technologies.
"blockchain" not bitcoin
what a surprise that corporations, well known for the corruption of their long chains of command and toxic psychology, benefit from blockchains to protect their databases, not an interesting or valuable use case nor something that really couldn't be fixed by abolishing LLCs entirely as being an abuse of the common wealth of people living nearby each other
yes, actually, you know since blockchains were invented (in the early days of distributed databases, and the inception of the entire field of distributed systems) users of it have profited from the accuracy and redundancy of the information by using hashes to chain transactions together, this was already a thing at least in the mid 90s, the blockchain is the useful thding, because it lets you make sure that nobody can tamper with the record in one area without it being discoverable, and correctable, indeed, ultimately it is just an error correction system and really salient to the use cases hashes as fingerprints and signatures as authorities
the only other one that stood out was property registries, but that is an example of where the court has adopted this as a notarization standard, good luck getting that use case to happen without cooperation of the court you must adjudicate any conflicts at
not gonna help you for those cases where the court doesn't recognise it and good luck getting it to be recognised as case law and even better luck getting it to be legistlated
I plugged this into ChatGPT and it kept giving me basically the same shit again but with a "ok let's focus on bitcoin specific stuff" intro injected in
Massive L for the chat bots yet again
markint that you knew something at a certain time, but proving that later
this is useful for things like prior art for patents
yeah, i think that you can say that adding a bitcoin block hash to a document makes a definite certainty of the event happening at least after some time
i wonder if there is a tool i can set up to grab the current block hash to my clipboard from a custom keyboard shortcut
putting the document hash on the chain is dumb IMO because that depends on the document being available, and everything is less available than the bitcoin blockchain
one of the key things that people don't understand about nostr is that it is a publish/subscribe system, it is not a unified von neumann style computation system, as in distributed system, it's not meant to have consistency at all, only availability and partition resistance, extremely weak consistency = nostr - by design, and for reasons
no, that’s not useful for the use case here
to prove that a document existed at a certain time *after that time*, the only viable solution is to commit a hash
anyone can look at old block hashes
