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I spent the better part of the day troubleshooting #v4v split issues. Many people helped today, thank you. I'm sorry if I was grumpy.

My conclusion is this. If you are hosting a #v4v podcast with a hosted platform it will probably work nicely. RSS blue has super chapters, wavlake has an interface to add its own songs.

If you want to do this self hosted, like I am, the best tool seems to be emacs to copy guids and a calculator to generator time durations.

At the end of the day, one client shows the splits and one doesn't. 🤷‍♂️

There's definitely an opportunity if someone wants to make some tools to make this easier. I will walk you through the issues. Otherwise I'll just emacs macro this to work for me.

Anyway, just my experience. This is I think worh the pain, but it was fucking painful.

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rheedio 1y ago

Curious to hear what the worst pain points were. Our publishing tool makes things slightly better, I think, but could also use some improvement

bitpunk.fm is typing 1y ago

Oh, I recorded a 25 minute rant. About to call it bitpunk.fm unwound in a new podcast.

But basically it's finding the feed url (it's obvious once you know but the rss feed is not on the track only on the album). Then it's knowing the feedguid is in the rss. Then the item guid.

But, I had for example the artist page url first, not the feed url.

Also, I couldn't search tracks on the web? I was logged in, but also very frustrated at this point so I've calmed down and will look at fresh eyes.

I am bringing this pain on myself. I just really want to self host this. But an authoring tool would make this so much easier.

rheedio 1y ago

That all makes sense. And it is totally confusing, even if you're familiar with how it all works. Like until you just mentioned tracks don't have feeds but albums do, I had even forgotten that 😄

Let me know if there's some kind of search feature or API on Wavlake we're missing that could help at all. I think writing your own feed (or some version of that) will be the way for a while, but maybe we can help make it less painful.

Can't wait to hear that rant! 😂

bitpunk.fm is typing 1y ago

Yeah, I'll think about it. But I realize I'm a special case 😀

I could imagine a website where you find the wavlake track you want, you enter the time, and it spits out the snippets for you to copy.

You could call it mixtape builder 😀

Doesn't need a full Gameboy interface either 🤪

Here's full documented headache:

https://www.bitpunk.fm/@bitpunkfm_unwound/episodes/valuetimesplits

rheedio 1y ago

This episode is so insightful.

I think for starters, what we could do is add an option on every track to generate a raw, value time split template for you with all the guids pre-filled and the timestamps empty. Then all you'd have to do is click on the track, get the template, and then fill in the timestamps before putting it in your feed. I think that'd take most of the headache out of constructing the block for that specific track but let me know if I'm wrong.

Also, the remotePercentage value is set to 99 on the songs on our episodes so we can have some visibility into which songs get boosted during an episode.

bitpunk.fm is typing 1y ago

Yeah just getting the guids, urls, and the split syntax is the most error prone I think, that would help the most.

Oh yeah, I remeber someone vaguely saying that too if it's 100% they don't see it live.

Thank you listening also 🙏

rheedio 1y ago

On the subject of hosted solutions: you're totally right that it's a double-edged sword. Something I don't think is talked about much in that regard is the entire system's dependence on the Podcast Index as a centralized database of feeds. Not to say what they've done there isn't awesome -- it is. But I think it's important we recognize that is a single point of failure right now

bitpunk.fm is typing 1y ago

Yeah absolutely. Discovery and curation still work better from a centralized source most of the time.

And I get people want to do just upload and move on. That's honestly awesome, that's a service worth paying for.

I'm just trying to keep the weirdo level high 😀