Yeah im not staying 1+1 doesnt equal 2, and im glad it existed. Im just saying, looking back on it, and holding it to today's standards. The only thing it can stand on to even make a claim to be a unique genre is the lyrics.

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And yet its existence alone paved the way for the version of it you like better, so there’s that.

Yeah, I acknowledge that.

But I care about the proof of work in the musicianship of any music, punk or not. Maybe thats just me, and thats fine. Take away the vocals all that stuff is just a poor quality recording of a formulaic rock song. That being the case, generic classic rock is probably an equal influence on what I like, and what is popular now.

Tell that to these guys.

I don’t know but I find ‘pop punk’ an abomination of epic amplitude.

Exactamundo.