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Yes, you're right! I would have to search for one with source.

But the point is, that on the first diagram the x axis has such a long timescale, that it doesn't tell us much since humans are around for only about 100.000 years, and agriculture, i.e. civilization only for about 10.000 years.

So, the last 10.000 years is a time scale that's much more important to examine for humans.

What this diagram shows is, that the temperatures in the time since modern civilization exists, were very constant (which is an important factor).

Chris Krause 3mo ago 💬 2

A search found something related:

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2021/06/climate-change-history-temperature-records/

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forwardsteps 🪢 3mo ago

Not a very scientific source judging by all the other content on their site. 🥹🫣

Who do you trust implicitly to tell the truth about the climate changes and history/future?

All I see are billions (actually, trillions) of fiat dollars being thrown around between large corporations and governments, with very little real scientific evidence to back any of what they're up to.

I've been hearing this stuff for years on end. All I see is money spinning between a handful of big entities. 😵‍💫

I agree western society is insanely wasteful and we're creating a ton of junk and wasting a lot of resources. That's the fiat system in all its glory. The whole heating planet debate is just part of the same. They're all excuses to spend and print more fiat and increase wealth of elites.

We have human nature and the incentives of the fiat system to be more concerned about than their lies of warmer temperatures.

Fear is their tool. 🧡🫂

Chris Krause 3mo ago

I trust the data on the temperatures on earth, the amount of for example CO2 in the atmosphere and that it has a lot of impact on the temperature in this atmosphere.

I don't trust the government, big companies or their paid "experts" at all. I don't believe any of their forced programs are useful. I believe they are using the climate change to put fear into people and to steal more money and put more regulations in place.

I also believe in a so-called man made climate change, where CO2 emissions and deforestation are major issues.

But unless the reason for both are solved (i.e. the fiat system and its urge to "grow" or waste), humans won't be able to react accordingly.

This is one of the most important reasons, why I bitcoin.