thanks, I'll look into this. been suddenly doing some vector based design, of a watch dial. all new to me. and used Sketch, it works ... but much more of a UX design program. so stuff I know Adobe Illustrator had years ago, such as repeat 60 times on a circle, does not seem built in (or, I just don't know how), anyway, and of course a watch design, will get into 3D ... so this is interesting to me, anyway, already said this, thanks