Understood, as you can tell from my profile, I don't choose privacy, despite that being a key feature of NOSTR.

Therefore privacy coins have very little interest for me personally.

There is a valid use case for Moneros privacy features and it is the best in class at what it does.

What are your thoughts on the recent Qubic attack?

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Now we are talking, from the same position, in the ideas world, i like this way.

I also don't choose privacy here on nostr, the ones here since the beggining know my face and enough to find me if they want.

That's true Monero is the standard on privacy coins, we can agree with it, and i like or choose Monero because im not on crypto to get the best % of gains ok? I choose Monero because i think in the worst conditions it will be the easiest to use, you understand me?

I also know that any business make a lot more % of gains by money invested if done right, you agree with me?

My toughs is that Qubic attack showed the resilience of the chain and the monero community, that my conclusion, because all monerist unite together to run our nodes and mine it 24/7 and they until now they didnt win in controlling the chain, but i also think that we need to improve it, and it was on plans and being build before the attack started.

That's about as much insight or discussion you're going to get from me on Monero.

I personally have little interest in it as discussed before.

I do own a small quantity of it and I do run a Monero node and I do let my Fedora Workstation mine Monero when it's not busy crunching its LLM.

But none of that occupies much of my time or thought.

I am in no way an expert in Monero.

What conclusions you take from my first question?

I appreciate you are interested in Monero, but I am not.

I don't wish to allocate a significant part of my time or intellect to pursue a discussion.

Man, it takes litteraly 5/10 minutes to do it, you already wasted more of you time discussing things that dont matter with me.

I though you wanted to do real talk, but if you dont, dont waste my time.

You dont need to be an expert in monero to find correlations in charts.

We are not the same 😂

Im seeing that we really are not the same, while i wanted a honest discuss, you dont!

But what are your thoughts on the BIS?

I think I’m just going to start to troll all the Monero idiots on here like they like to troll bitcoiners

That it makes money exploiting the 3rd world?

You can learn a lot from Mike.

We all have our own lessons to learn.

Follow your calling not that of anybody else.

i know and i do, but he thinks that he cant learn from anyone, because his family is from the first division, and no one has nothing to teach them.

see all conversation...

I have a question, if bitcoin is the one changing the status quo and taking power away from govs and banks, why the state and banks didnt attack bitcoin like they do with monero?

Because it's a public blockchain. With difficulty tax offices can find out who owns Bitcoin and tax their gains accordingly.

Also it is genuinely decentralised and meets all the criteria for the Nash Equilibrium in game theory, so can't be stopped.

But if it is so powerfull why they dont try even to stop it, like they do with monero and they even support it, if it takes power away from them?

Technicly i dont agree with you in that one.

Bitcoin lacks one important thing decentralization of mining, you dont have rn real decentralization mining to sustain the chain if the condition of bitcoin are the same monero has, you need govs permission to sustain the mining as it is today.

Study game theory, it is deeply fascinating.

Study Network Effects, it is less interesting and less involved.

Interestingly, John Nash is a weak Satoshi candidate.

You show it all, i was naive to think i would get a honest conversation from a bitcoin maxi, but you show me again what you are trying to do

Huh?

i asked you an opinion in a thing that takes you 10 min to do, and you dont want to do it, because maybe your conclusions are the same as mine, and that's not expected from one maximalist...

Ok, sure. You know you’ve really lost me now 😂

Wise ones know who lost who...

Hey nostr:npub1aqakd28d95muqlg6h6nwrvqq5925n354prayckr424k49vzjds4s0c237n and nostr:npub1dc9p7jzjhj86g2uqgltq4qvnpkyfqn9r72kdlddcgyat3j05gnjsgjc8rz

I thought about this thread for several hours

It kinda hammers home the point that value is inter subjective…ie if ur child is starving in an isolated desert ud prolly prefer bread instead of silver

Still I think, at least for me, gold represents value in the sense of financial stability and personal security and BTC represents value in the form of hope for a better future for everyone….but both are rooted in the value of PoW

…unfortunately for gold it’s very physicality, that gold bugs often tout as it’s primary advantage over BTC, is also its greatest weakness that requires centralized abstraction (paper) for practical economic transaction

…. For me personally any asset that is not based on PoW (a significant marginal cost of production) is doomed to lose its value over a long arc of time due to debasement (including monero which no doubt has value (privacy) in the short term)… but ima idgit and often wrong🤷🏽‍♂️

Full disclosure: I’m a fan of individuals’ right to transact in the asset they prefer… and for me personally I think both gold and btc are a notable improvement on our current credit based system fueled by its dependence on ever increasing consumption for the sake of expanding debt that can never be fully repaid and based on tokens that have a marginal cost of production of zero (u can choose the unit of account for the zero😂)

Agreed.

The sad thing for me is that most people when loosing an argument allow it to affect their hubris and want to win at the cost of being right.

I already stated that Monero is probably the best Privacy coin out there and even support it by running a copy of the blockchain.

Because I don't seek privacy for my own transactions, so spending time absorbing myself in Monero's technology would be about as interesting as Pelé explaining the offside rule in football to me.

I am equally uninterested in football, boxing, tennis and Monero 😂

Are you kidding nostr:npub1aqakd28d95muqlg6h6nwrvqq5925n354prayckr424k49vzjds4s0c237n ?

You agree in discuss with me, but you were the one that didnt answer to my first question, i ansered yours and i understoold why you choose to ask me the quibic thing, and still i answered.

I didn't check your background before our discussion yestarday, but now that i check its even worst, comming from a man of your level...

I didnt loose any argument, because you were not discussing the ideas, you were trying to measure the size of your dick, against a nobody compared to you, but that says it all about you as a person.

using arguments like ''my opinion is better than yours because i have 30 years of experience'' is not called winning arguments from where i came from...

They aren't going to stop bitcoin because they gain to much power, control, and influence "containing it".

Monero, this can't be done with.

If your Financials are private, .government can't do much of anything to strong arm extort your value.

on point

It proved Monero isn't mature enough

No it, this proved monero power, because even not being finished it is doing what is suppose to do, resisting all kind of attacks, and still going stronger that than ever.