I know samourai does this with monero but I havent checked out the fees.. either way, that's at least two on-chain Txs for BTC and I'm wondering if decent privacy is achievable without as well... and from a regulatory standpoint if it's possible to do it all within BTC so it can't be stopped...

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some places/wallet BLOCKS non-kyc bitcoin keep that in mind

Can’t stop me from sending via lightning… and as long as I can loop in to my node there’s nothing they can do… anyhow… that’s my point… we need options for privacy they can’t stop… the combination of liquid and lightning seem promising here…