Capitalism still sucks in many ways.

And communism in its only practiced form so far really fucking sucks.

So what do we do? Which boogeyman do we fight, and how can we reject both in healthy and context specific ways? nostr:note1rdgycvhcfpj7e5rwdnwmzw07gvpllwlc3frpdup5nr2jws03cthqzvxh97

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Start with rejecting the notion that these are the only two options

Can't have capitalism without absolute ownership.

Call me crazy

At least in the U.S. I think we need a blended approach of individualism (especially concerning rights and freedoms) and collectivism (to ensure protections and human flourishing, combating the worst of purely individualist or capital driven negative realities)

Not crazy. We seem to do this naturally. As people and societies we need and thrive in both simultaneously. Individual rights must be the foundation to avoid the collective crapping on the self-sovereign. But the solos don’t organically stay solo-only. The community aspect permeates.

Humans are social animals _and_ have free will. Therefore, the individualism vs. collectivism distinction is a straw-man. The important question is on the nature of collectivist ventures. Will these be mandated from heaven or history with no chance for the individual to exit, or will these be voluntary?

If I’ve learned something studying Bitcoin all these years is that capitalism is the global bond narket for the most part.

And who controls the bond market? Governments.

So who’s the face of capitalism?

Governments, yeah!

Global bond market is corporatism - public-private partnership to exploit productive people, who are forced to speculate to preserve their earnings. The state is the protector and main beneficiary in that scam. If you want to call that “capitalism” fine but let’s not confuse it with a free market.

Also, Trey, it may very well be that statism is the real disease. Communism has been practiced differently, just look at Kibbutzim in Israel, for example.

LOL. Kibbutzim would have been eating sand or gone back to Europe, if it were not for massive financial support from overseas.

Did I say otherwise?

Lol what?

I merely pointed to a different implementation.

Guess I misunderstood. OP said communism as tried sucked, and you did a whatabout kibbutz, so I reached what still seems a reasonable inference about your position. anyhow, apologies that I did not catch your point.

How about just free markets? No cantillionaire bankers, no pharmaceutical and tech mega corps protected by phoney IP laws, no big agro subsidies, no MIC, etc. It would be nice if we tried.