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States have the same interests as other states. You rarely heard voices outside of Iran declaring 9/11 a false flag operation.

The same is true with everything, they act as a hive protecting the big lies. They are in this together and know it.

Then the people of the world have more in common with each other than with their "representative" (lol) states. Many of them don't know that we are in this together. So some of them sing the states propaganda songs unknowingly or knowingly betraying their fellow brothers and sisters.

A unifying message is what the state fears most. It needs to sow distrust, lies, and division to secure its survival. It helps collecting taxes to dumb the general population.

Can people exist without states? Sure. Can the state exist without people. No. It's an existential fight.
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Bass 4mo ago

So your operating presupposition is that these power hungry states are all in it together and conspire against us little folk. Maybe if there was a common goal they could reach together that benefited all parties involved who were in the know, but that's quite a stretch.

I believe my point still stands as the most probable conclusion. I shared articles from third partys who were not necessarily friendly with us in this thread somewhere. This isn't a hill I would die on either way, I'm just surprised at the logical gymnastics that have to happen to come to the opposite conclusion when more than speculative evidence is provided.

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ede3d957... 4mo ago

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying they are all systemically motivated by the same forces.