nostr:npub1dqy4fnk7ke27jupgyp5g9swfzr8f4fyev8ng9fk5r84npaxnjkeq2wxte6 At least with Lincoln Douglas debate, it’s in this weird middle ground where they literally do sentence diagrams like they’re practicing academic philosophy and treating the logic like math - and as rhetoric, at all but the highest levels, it’s absolute garbage. But it doesn’t work as logic either. It’s self directed sophistry. Actually not too dissimilar from the “rationalist” stuff.