The necessity of taxes is the biggest lie ever told. It's all predicated on extortion and violence.

Govt schools have been brainwashing with this idea for decades now. Thinking they are needed is due to lack of creativity and imagination dulled through monotonous education and cheap false dopamine fueled propaganda.

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Genuine question. Without taxes how do you pay for services like fire departments etc?

You could pay for a service rendered or on demand.

I would pay $20/mo to a firehouse

https://mises.org/power-market/private-firefighters-not-just-elite-anymore

this makes actual sense. ty.

user fees for roads and private companies maintaining them. could also have people with cars in a city pay for it somehow and people who use transit pay for that.

it would be interesting to see what differences positive/negative would result.

it wouldn't necessarily be all good or all better.

taxes need to be reduced at the very least. we have had government after government clawing away our money for services we don't need or use for years. It's not normal, it's normalized.

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Even like that article said, that's what we used to do. Pay for for fire departments as an individual service. But it doesn't really work once you start to scale to a city population.

Like, if my neighbor doesn't feel like paying for a monthly fire dept service. They've never had a fire, so I guess they don't see the point.

They go on vacation for a week, and their house catches fire. There's no service for them, so it burns to the ground - but while it burns, the wind catches just the right way to blow it over to my house. I do pay for a fire service, so it gets put out. But now I have property damage to cover because there was no preventative public good to handle it.

I'm not going to be able to recoup costs from my negligent neighbor, his house burned down. He's probably out everything he's ever owned.

Some services tend to be put in place because we've tried not having them and it doesn't work.

Taxes can and do go too far. Privatizing some services just doesn't seem to work though.

Trying to be on the phone arguing with your fire department rep about them denying your coverage for some reason while your house burns down isn't going to work for a number of reasons.

It gets better as we hyperlocalize.

What do you mean by that? I'm not sure how that solves the problem of a negligent neighbor, for example.

Smaller scale. Make the firefighting team be volunteer from within the community. You see this in smaller towns. And the ostracize/shame the neighbor who is not contributing.

When you say make the firefighting team be volunteer. Is this a conscription type thing for the community? Or purely volunteer?

It kind of seems like we're getting to taxes with extra steps.

If not conscription, and just purely volunteer, what if you don't have volunteers? Or enough volunteers? Or a large enough community to be able to handle the coverage distance. There are a lot of rural areas in the country that are miles between houses.

I think the idea is that you need a reliable service that can be called on a moment's notice, that works almost as a preventative measure to keep emergencies from escalating.

Maybe that can be profitable for a company to run, but I'd be surprised if that is the case.

And I don't think you get the necessary reliability (or up to date training and equipment) with a volunteer force.

I don't know. Not everything needs to be taxed, but some stuff sure seems like a necessity for the good of the community.

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Now do National defense. How do we fund a standing military without taxation? And if we don’t have a standing military, how are we prepared to defend ourselves from attack? And securing a border? Not militarily securing a border, just securing it from immigration.