Depends what your definition of a bitcoiners is. Most "bitcoiners" are in it for the fiat gains, it seems to me. Too many others follow the Church of Saylor!! Lightning has had great potential for years now. Never fulfilling that potential because the vast majority of Bitcoin holders don't understand a circular economy, nor do they care. It's an unfortunate truth.

Go to Africa, they understand that Bitcoin is money. If the US didn't just pretend it liked btc, then we'd see change. Unfortunately for us, the White House can't weaponise Bitcoin.