the context of the war in ukraine is deeply embedded in the history of each nation. all of eastern europe suffered through first a domination by the mongols, and then probably out of that, it arose a whole cascade of imperial hegemonies over the subsequent centuries, such as the 500 years of the ottomans, and then the bulgarian, serbian, and austro-hungarian, leading up to the current time

specifically between russia and ukraine, ukraine has largely been agrarian society, because of their mostly flat land, they were very much a region of farmers mostly specialising in grain production

russia, historically, before the soviet union, was mostly just the region up to the boundary of siberia. siberia is just a wilderness, and aside from vladivostok and novosibirsk, it has largely been independent of russia.

the history between the two nations, came into play in the late stages of the tsarist russia period, Catherine was involved in taking control of the port of odessa, which opened up a market for russians connecting to turks and the middle east.

the modern situation arose out of a relatively recent provocation by the West to promote ukrainian nationalism, and this movement led to a persecution of ethnic russians in the eastern parts and crimea, and this was what led to the change in the politics that led to the russian aggression against this because it was very unpopular in russia, especially in the region around vostok, next door, which led to annexing of crimea, first, and then as this continued, the pressure on russians in eastern ukraine, after about 7 years of ethnic persecution, the military strategy people basically said "here is a problem that is going to potentially flow east and north from it to cause instability in the southern parts of russia.

as such, the whole thing really has been about the ingress of CIA/MI6 operations to exploit this instability to extend NATO jurisdiction to ukraine.

the ugly thing of all this is that eastern ukraine basically became a political and military football, and the west shot first, so to say, and from the perspective of the russian culture, having russians persecuted on their borders was extremely distressing, since southern russians families were being affected.

so, basically, ukraine invited the west to help them drive russians out of their eastern flank, in order to join the alliance, and so now, everything east of the dnieper is basically in a west/east german situation now, the same fascists on the west and communists on the east.

idk what to say as to what people living there are doing, i mean, idk only some part of the population can shrug the weight of this, and most of them fled already, so the people that are left behind, between dnieper and over to the east, are ukrainians, and on the other side of the line, are russians

this is war, and there is no space in the decision making, for kindness, and civility. it's over. until one side or the other side is tired of the disagreement, it will continue, and it will get uglier and uglier until the whole operation becomes politically untenable.

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in short, the west started this, and the russians are going to finish it, and probably it's going to lead to instability across eastern europe because there is a lot of loyalty towards russia in that region, especially in former yugoslavia.

it is easy to say that because the "hard" actions were initiated by russia, that this was the official start of the war but anyone who has actually studied the recent past history of this situation can see that the first attack was actually a "soft" attack by the west that led to the Maidan uprising, which legitimised ukrainian nationalism. creating a strong polarity between the east and west that led to a military necessity to re-establish a firm stable boundary. which is ongoing.

i don't forsee anything less than russia taking everything east of the dnieper, and a standstill being hit if they try to push any further west, not because of ukraine but because of the mixed feelings of the people living to the west. bulgarians are mostly loyal to russia, but equally hostile, and the same in romania and poland, and indeed moldova, could even be traced back to russia's initiation as well because the north-east of romania, moldova was once part of romania, has a large ethnic russian population, to the point that there is a linguistic region spreading across from moldova right up to the border of serbia, and serbia recognises the "russine" culture, which speaks an archaic form of russian, in serbia, all government buildings must have signs that include a russine version, and i personally met a russine courier driver one time as i was travelling east out of germany, so i knew about this thing long ago.

it's not a perspective that you can gain without having spent quite a bit of time roaming around the whole region of the balkans. the overarching impression i got was that most of the people from former yugo, hungary and bulgaria/romania are mostly neutral or positive towards russia. just not the communist russia.

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