Furthuring the conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGE9c4d26CU
nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn might find some interesting ideas here as well. Zak Stein is the authors of the articles on The Conscilience Project's website.