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💯 Nostr as the substrate for the human + autonomous machine hivemind is going to be wild!

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liminal 🦠 1y ago

And let the ai's consume focused knowledge on nostr from fragmented notes 😉.

Process of knowledge creation, with analogies to biology and autopoiesis

1)what is it made of?

biology ingests matter.

New knowledge is constructed by previous knowledge. It was brought forth by previous knowledge

2) what is the structure?

biology: cell wall, dna as a generator function, epigenome, interactome etc. They provide bounds and limitations on the structure.

Knowledge: The structure and connections on nostr and hypergraph connections from knowledge fragments. We can get mycelium level of connectivity and entangledness with this architecture,

3) what causes change?

biology: the external environment and internal processes

knowledge: the continually updating knowledge environment. Knowledge becomes invalidated over time and must be mantained.

4) for what purpose?

biology: sustain life

knowledge base: provide meaningful value for its users.

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now we've mapped out how knowledge works and is generated, What happens with AI, an appriximate-knowledge generator.

you give it knowledge fragments and ask it to produce something new given the context, and SAVE it on nostr for other people and AI's to use.

Talk about synergetic.

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Melvin Carvalho 1y ago

You're missing an important thing. Energy. Everything needs energy to survive. So the best digital analogy of that is satoshis. Each agent survives based on the satoshis it can forage or earn.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Yes, energy is implicitely there. Knowledge is living because it is the product of a human (and therefore Complex) process. knowledge itself doesn't need to have an energy constraint because agents will always have it. The point of knowledge fragments is to speed up the navigation process, help agents identfiy the coordinates of the nost meaningful "raw materials" of knowledge and consume it.

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Melvin Carvalho 1y ago

Knoweldge lacks that it is uniform or a pure form of energy. It has a relatively low storage cost, but can be used to gain energy to store that knowledge. So knowledge is valuable but it is better when converted to energy (e.g. with a zap or a nut) otherwise you will have an ever growing set of agents with few finite limits.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

i actually don't mind that. In a desert with everywhere sand, sand means nothing to you. Most meaningful is the oasis and so you will engage in a sort of taxis towards the most meaningful resources. Spam on a knowledge base can be mitigated by various levels of openness on relays and communities.

but even without that, all notes can have embedding vectors attached. Ultimately, the visibility of notes in a system will grow if it is meaningul to the user. So if notes mean nothing to you or are considered spam, thats fine. You stay outside of that area in semantic space. It may also not be considered spam from other users.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Visibility of a note will grow depending on the level of meaningfulness proportional to the userbase*

Melvin Carvalho 1y ago

Even with that, we have so far observed a king-maker effect. I think we need something like self sufficient events that pay for their own storage and can last a long time. That can get zapped more in future and live longer. Everlasting notes.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

i think i understand, sounds reasonable - but out of scope for what i'm conceptualizing. Relying on interoperativity for others to work on that side 😀