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Open-borders libertarians are stupid
Ah, but without a state, no one's going to fly and bus them into the major cities. No one's going to house them. Who's gonna pay for their medical care? Who'll give 'em food stamps?
Without a state, they may as well stay home...ππ€£π
Open borders is disastrous in the context of democracy, welfare socialism, restrictions on armed self-defense and failure to enforce common law
But if there's no likelihood that immigrants can profit off public or private crime, I don't see the argument for keeping them out
you dont see the legal argument or ANY argument?
I don't see the moral argument, and I don't see a common-law legal argument
you dont see a moral argument for your childrens european hard won cultural and civilizational inheritence being handed over to somalians, haitians, asians, and every other type who do not have the epigenetic(not to mention genetic) qualities, historical and cultural context, etc and understanding to manage such a system?
there is no where left to go . give it up and its gone without galactic level violence
I think East Asians are compatible with Anglo culture (as seen in Hong Kong and Singapore)
I think Hispanics are somewhat compatible
I think sub-saharan Africans would quickly either assimilate or commit crimes that result in their execution
bruh...
hard lessons incoming.
smh.
have you ever stopped or bothered to consider anything remotely in the vein of, say, this:
"In East and West GuΓ©non diagnoses the fundamental 'abnormality' of Western civilization vis-Γ -vis the traditional civilizations of the East, suggests avenues by which the West might be 're-oriented' toward the fundamental metaphysical principles it has largely abandoned, and outlines the possible role of a restoration of true intellectuality in this task. Of course, East and West are no longer what they were in Guenon's time. The aggressive rationalism and materialism of post-Christian Western culture has become a worldwide phenomenon, and no longer corrodes the philosophical and cultural underpinnings of the West only: it has infiltrated distorted forms of Eastern spirituality and metaphysics, incited fundamentalist reactions the world over, and, thanks to the pervasive internet, wields previously unheard of influence. And so today we have an East largely inflamed with a desire to surpass the West in materialism, and a West sodden with moral and spiritual degeneracy. Nonetheless, fruitful exchanges between traditional Christianity and Eastern religions have also taken place on an unprecedented scale, though marred by an ongoing temptation to ill-informed syncretism. In such a milieu, GuΓ©non's East and West, read with an eye to events of recent decades, delivers a stunning intellectual punch. But the East is always the East: the place where the sun rises, the point of recollection and return to the Source. And the West is always the West: the place of the full manifestation of possibilities (including the most degenerate), of the tendency to dissipation and dissolution; the point where the sun sets. In postmodern, global culture, we are all more or less forced to be 'Westerners' outwardly; our only recourse under these circumstances may be to become 'Easterners' within."
https://www.amazon.com/East-West-Ren%C3%A9-Gu%C3%A9non/dp/0900588497
"Aggressive rationalism"
You ain't seen my aggression when I deal with these verbose academic types.
what?
"The pragmatists -in going to the limit- show themselves to be the most authentic representatives of modern Western thought: what does the truth matter in a world whose aspirations -being solely material and sentimental and not intellectual- find complete satisfaction in industry and morality, two spheres where indeed one can very well do without conceiving the truth? β
RenΓ© GuΓ©non β East and West 1924
"This is part of our continuing series of accounts by readers of how they shed the illusions of liberalism and became race realists."
Free-market without monoethnicity is almost impossible to exist
apparently sentimentalist universalism, a main vector of psychic exploitation and identity theft by the state, got its rabid claws in their analysis...
what to do?
guess its gonna be left to brutal existential wake up calls going forward...
There are a lot of other reasons besides the economical to keep like ethnic, linguistic, cultural differences and hostilities. I don't think it's a good idea let Hindu Indians, Arab Moslems and white Europeans Christians on the same community
In the sort of community I'm describing I think very few foreigners would come except to assimilate
UK & US in the 1800s had plenty of foreign immigration without sacrificing their essential Anglo culture
That's the point. USA didn't have a federal policy to import immigrants and give them welfare benefits. Without them mass immigration would be practically impossible to occur
Yeah I said I was pro-open borders conditional on eliminating the welfare state and various other things (and you replied to that comment)
yeah i mean this is just as important ...
not only for preventing disharmonious neighborhoods and hostilities but ALSO to preserve whats left of the Traditions of all peoples...
you really want the whole fucking planet to look like the average mcmerican corporate consumer wasteland ?
i dont even like it in the west ... and when i see it in kathmandu im fucking appalled...
the whole fucking planet in stupid fucking levis looking like stoopid fucking mcmericans with a fucking caramel mocha latte hanging off their botox'd lips and fucking shitnig gangsta slut pop trash culture everywhere...
this kind of aspiritual reductionist pragmatism is fucking satanic.
are you lamenting the strain in "democracy" that incessant migration would theoretically provoke?
democracy is EXACTLY how it is being done, no?
would not have happened in the euroconscious and identity-possessing, god-fearing Republic.
Why? I'm genuinely interested and not trolling.
Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property
https://mises.org/mises-wire/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
The Case for Free Trade and Restricted Immigration
https://mises.org/journal-libertarian-studies/case-free-trade-and-restricted-immigration
Thanks for the homework, teacher.
How can any libertarian be in favor of men with guns restricting the freedom of movement by human beings?
It's like the freedom of speech, you can have yours inside your own private property or on the other properties who accept and welcome you. You can't enter in other people property by force and oblige the owners to listen your opinions or ideas
So is a national border the same as a delineation between two parcels of property?
There won't be state borders in anarcho-capitalism, just private borders between communities
What ancap doesnβt have guns?
Do the ancaps not have weapons here? Must be lolberts
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Fuck I love #nostr
Love the arguments on this one. Here's my 2 sats worth;
I'm pro no state. Therefore anti state enforced borders.
I want to be free to sail away and travel where I want. If I want that freedom then I can't deny it to someone else.
However, I wouldn't expect to be able to roll up at someone's island and demand they make me welcome, that'd be rude. Instead, the polite thing to do would be to ask if I might be welcome to share their resources, in return for whatever I can offer.
If I can see the sense in asking a community first if I might share their resources then I have to accept that others coming to my community should likewise also ask first.
For the sake of peace, good will and equanimity, I think it's worth not just assuming you'll be welcomed.
Bad faith argument.
1: All those "terrorists" were mercenaries for the CIA and Mossad, ie State agencies.
2: Ancapistan is heavily armed, so not so easy.
3: Your a nigger.
>relying on someone else to handle your security for you in Ancapistan
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Why are ancapistanians shown as unarmed people without possessing even bigger blades, guns and rocket launchers π€¨
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Because it triggers them, that's why