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My first impression of Bitcoin Core, during the blocksize wars, was also that of arrogance. It's an unfortunate side-effect of people losing patience when having to re-explain something a hundred times. Time they're not spending on writing code, and energy they're losing to remain motivated to write code.

The project is run by volunteers who do not have time, and should not waste time, for maintaining useless functionality. Having people in the project that are (somewhat) comfortable in delivering such bad news is extremely important. I've been on the receiving end of that too internally.

You do not want Bitcoin Core to be a please-everyone kind of project. That's a recipe for unmaintainable code and really bad bugs down the line.

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Nantika 8mo ago

Why are you quoting (opening a new thread) instead of answering nostr:nprofile1qqsrh2dceavqs27n0mkps32my6asffrlf28gxkkp33l2gdyxw0hpvgcprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7w6939n in the original thread?

Jeroen Ubbink 8mo ago

I think it was a great move actually. It's a good post and applies generic context to a specific situation so it reaches more people.

Sjors Provoost 8mo ago

Indeed, and also there's really no need to directly respond to someone who insults you.

JackTheMimic 8mo ago

Balance. I do self-custody consultations. Every moment I spend answering questions clients ask for free is a moment I am not spending doing in-depth analysis of my clients. The problem is if I do not answer those questions with circumspection, I lose the trust of my clients. And TRUST matter more when they aren't the expert and you are. I am sorry you feel put out explaining things for the 100th time but there are many people in this world and the mission is to increase adoption in a principled way.

Sjors Provoost 8mo ago

Bitcoin users are not paying customers of Bitcoin developers. It's not the same kind of relationship. As Craig Wright found out.

JackTheMimic 8mo ago

Point taken. My address was more focused on the time dispensation for the good of the mission. Besides don't discount the fact that an overwhelming majority of users utilize Bitcoin Core to interact with the bitcoin network. Meaning the direct interaction with the most sovereign money devised is viewed through the Core code lens. Just food for thought.

the axiom 8mo ago

these "volunteers" receive millions in annual funding and they spend a their time in self-promotion trips, useless refactors and non-features

vnprc 8mo ago

> The project is run by volunteers

I don't believe this is an accurate characterization in 2025.

vnprc 8mo ago

Agree with all your other points.

sedited 8mo ago

It is starting to get fuzzier, some full time contributors have employment contracts, most have some kind of grant. Most of us did start out as volunteers and sank countless hours into it without any expectation of renumeration. I also don't think being volunteers or not is all that relevant. There will always be some kind of weird relationship between an OSS project's developers and its users and I don't think there is a way around that.

Sjors Provoost 8mo ago

It's still a volunteer effort in the sense that users are not paying customers.

vnprc 8mo ago

What? That's not what volunteer means. Are you pointing out that it's not a commercial project? I don't understand your point.

Sjors Provoost 8mo ago

Paid volunteers are a thing. Especially if you consider the opportunity cost of not working for Google.

From the point of view of a user it doesn't matter if a developer is working from savings, government welfare, or hired by a benevolent rich Bitcoiner. Users are not customers of the developers. There's no fiduciary duty. They don't get to make demands. You would treat them exactly as you would a volunteer in the more narrow sense of an unpaid volunteer.

FreeYoda 8mo ago

#Bitcoin has to grow up.

We are becoming the world reserve currency.

This means the protocol needs to be up and running and stable above everything else.

Adding new things must have an agreed upon rational , and be a tested solution.

Known issues are better than potential new issues.

We must assume there are bad actors with plenty of money willingly to disrupt Bitcoin if possible.

These discussion can be exhausting but than we have to put a layering in place.

We can't just ignore questions or potential problems due to "we don't have time or the energy to address them all".

BitcoinIsFuture 8mo ago

Do you think you own the project? Do you feel only your views are the correct ones? Because it seems that way. People who disagree with you do not matter - node runners, miners, people who have invested their wealth in Bitcoin, other developers and even Bitcoin Core developers?

You are pushing forward a highly controversal PR.

Sjors Provoost 8mo ago

Nobody owns the project, you can simply fork it, and enforce your own views.

BitcoinIsFuture 8mo ago

The question is as you are part of the project why don't you want to listen to different views? Stake holders are not only code contributers, yet you proposed to have only their views.