Agree re: Nostr but I feel the rest is just noise (I gave simplex as an example but feel it goes nowhere). WhatsApp uses Signal encryption. You may feel it is shit, and it might be, but to say it isn’t mainstream is incorrect.

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If you read again, we were comparing signal to telegram.

Between those two, Telegram is ranked #3 in the west so it is a defacto mainstream. Whatsapp too, but that isn't really the same as signal.

Just call me when the US arrests Zuckerberg to complain about the privacy on his WhatsApp messengers.

I still find these arguments pointless. WhatsApp/Signal clear #1 by a wide margin, and represent a great level of encryption *for the average person*.

If you want to keep a secret, why do it online? Nerds just tie themselves up in knots over who has the biggest share of zero.

What is pointless is to consider that only something on top is mainstream.

With the same reasoning Twitter isn't mainstream nor Instagram.

You write stuff online privately because it is expensive and difficult to meet in person. This should be obvious, didn't they taught you that at the FBI?

Jesus, what planet do you live on? Done here, not wasting my time anymore. kthxbai

Sure thing mr. officer. 👍