Dethroning Youtube? How o.o
You'd need an absurdly big CDN, enough reach to attract creators and a business model to have those people paid.
I am eager to see a Youtube alternative, but so far, none has shown up... yet?
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Youāre making a lot of assumptions there; does media production (hence consumption) look the same on a non-central-algorithm landscape?
I believe you canāt judge the system from within the system; you can only build parallels and let new dynamics (if any) emerge, but I doubt the modern relationship with information is inherit to the human condition.
We shall see.
Also you have to separate YouTube the media storage platform and YouTube the content aggregator. These are 2 functions YouTube integrates today.
A decentralized solution may handle the latter function with a mix of creative and traditional media storage.
Yeah, the storage part is 100000x easier than the distribution part; no question.
Anyone over 21 would have to be kidding themselves if they think that company Xās dominance means itās going to be there forever. Makes me laugh every time I see someone express this sentiment because itās a current market (loss)leader.
Im just waiting for Meta to bite the dust and see who inevitably replaces them.
As for the storage, I am quite fond of the idea of using IPFS; peer-driven content delivery.
The aggregator, on the other hand, hm... tricky. Locally ran algorythmns that ingest incomming new posts from, for instance, a Nostr stream?
Yeah I was playing around with that.
Could be effective by transposing a persons profile as their āNostrTubeā channel.
Thought about writing a proof of concept that pulled in notes with video media links and also a place for a custom Kind that had metadata associated.
I'd be in support of that! Maybe use the "extra" field in kind:1 in combination with a tag in the "tags" field to make these both discoverable and visible to normal clients. Or just use a tag that links to a special-kind note insted where all metadata can be found, so that clients that support it, can show it as an embed.
Meanwhile, just querying a relay for `["REQ", ["kind", 999]]` would return only those "video notes".
I think there's something in this =)
NIP-89 does this a million times better if I may say so myself š
I completely forgot about this XD. Just re-read it, and i feel defeated. :) But yes, yes it does.
Donāt. This is whatās great about the nostr eco system and nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft more than most has experience writing so many different apps.
I take it as corrective nudging in not reinventing the wheel
Ofc, these discussions are useful
Why would you want/need an agggregator? Thatās the whole point of nostr š
Maybe not using correct terminology and phrasing
Nostr front end that pulls in just videos specific posts.
We have kind 1 stuff. Maybe we have a front end for just videos.
Iām all for specific apps where maybe I use Damus for what Iām using Damus for now but I can go cut through posts to find videos from creators on another front end.
Iām probably using the wrong termsā¦
No errors seen, all good man. :)
Discovering new things related to something I just watched or combing through a specific topic - just two things that I can immediately think of.
An aggregator is great when you dig yourself into a new topic. For instance, say you want to learn more about Speedrunning. Youtube's algo can aggregate a lot of speedrun videos for you and you can chose where to start digging the newfound rabbit hole. x)
This is, unironically, a great feature and why I think an aggregator has it's merit.
Topic-based relays.
You donāt need top-down order when you can have emergent order.
You can be fully in control of how you design your relays sets that give you the view you want/need to see.
That's completely fair. I have only see the same model for years - even aside from Youtube with a german-ran platform named Clipfish years ago. The rough idea was the same as what Youtube is.
Honestly, I do have to think on the "non-central algorythmn" part. Yes, a lot of what drives consumption on Youtube is based off that algorythmn. But it is based on knowing what actually is on the platform. So I wonder how an algorythmn would work in a network of dozens of individual "tiny platforms" (i.e. peertube instances or whatnot) and then generate recommendations based off that. Hm...
Initially you start with alternative services (like Invidious, Piped, and so on) and in general any services which help people preserve their privacy (if properly configured) while impacting their revenue model. Then, similarly to platforms such as Reddit, eventually the revenue impact is large enough to force a decision, such as their API price increases. This opportunity is then used to recruit people to alternative social networks, through all of the dynamics which have been visible in the "shutdown", as an example, (many people switching to Lemmy instances).
So, repeat this cycle often enough, and settle for a revenue distribution in which all systems are stable, meaning one in which one platform does not have an unsustainable-unless-violating-your-rights monopoly.
The post went a little off-topic as to what platforms doing this will be (still getting accustomed to the Nostr client being used), but in general this methodology may also count for any Nostr born platforms.
All good, was a quite informative tangent tho!
I use LibreTube on my phone, but haven't found a good alternative for the desktop yet...
Note that there is also alternative services to YT such as Odyssey. Otherwise LibreTube seems to use Piped API under the hood.
All these things fail because they donāt have distribution; which is what nostr gives you.
Same reason for which vimeo and those other YouTubeās donāt work, because they compete head-on against YouTube on YouTubeās turf.
Nostr competes in a very roundabout way by improving distribution across the board, not on a use case-by-use case basis (same reason why Spotify tries to get you to create a social graph and fails miserably)
Fully agreed, in comparison to Mastodon as an example Nostr is clearly superior. The emphasis was on alternative services as a bridge that start the process, which is simply something that can been observed recently. Ultimately these services do not offer the resilience and flexibility for widespread usage.
sounds good. but pardon me if ive been under a rock, but where can i watch any of these nostr streams? are they accessible like youtube after the live event ended? this sounds fun.