has anyone thought/written about data-processing services via nostr?
I'm thinking of, as nostr:npub1dergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fsh9xzpc says, a vending machine model.
Money in, data out.
Example:
I publish an event saying I want "X data processed in Y form, will pay Z", services compete to serve me the data back.
Rationale:
I'm integrating audio/video highlights on nostr:npub1w0rthyjyp2f5gful0gm2500pwyxfrx93a85289xdz0sd6hyef33sh2cu4x (cc nostr:npub1kuy0wwf0tzzqvgfv8zpw0vaupkds3430jhapwrgfjyn7ecnhpe0qj9kdj8 nostr:npub18lzls4f6h46n43revlzvg6x06z8geww7uudhncfdttdtypduqnfsagugm3 ); instead of handling the transcription within Highlighter (which is what I'm doing now via the `whisper` model), what if users could query for that specific service and pay for it directly to the right service provider?
Ideally, the user would have no "account" or "balance" on any of the service providers (vending machines don't have balances!), and ideally only the "best" (as understood by the user) is rewarded.
The way I imagine it working is:
* user publishes X event with the job spec
* service providers that can handle that job spec compete to serve it (risk!)
* when service provider serves the data the user pays to the "best" service provider
Ideally there would be no negotiation steps between user<>provider, at least for inexpensive compute.
Obviously there's risk to the service provider here, but it's risk that would be very easy to price/handle for a motivated service provider.
The upside is a transparent, always-on global marketplace for data-processing/compute.
Random question, won't this just replicate a (social) credit score?
I mean due to the following:
* You can create new keys easily.
* Therefore I could create a key not to pay a service then create a new one, to use another service for free.
* This would mean service providers must somehow evaluate if they want to service you, you are not an "empty npub"
* This means npubs needs some reputation
* Isn't reputation really just a social score?
Do I miss something?
nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft do I miss something?
reputation is part of life; it's organic, and brutally desirable. You wouldn't be able to navigate life without heuristics to measure how much to trust something/someone, of which reputation is one crucial factor.
New/disposable npubs could still access certain service providers who opt to serve them via a prepayment, but prepayments hinder the effortless nature of the system I have in mind. and require a much heavier negotiation tax that would be overkill for npubs with a history.
We can do both, but the second system does not need to be formalized as service providers would coordinate (pre) payment out of band (you don't need to coordinate your relationship with your hosting provider (1:1) via nostr)
So you say, that it has more positive consequences then negative?
to me that feels like an odd question, as if you were asking if life, or oxygen, has more positive than negative consequences.
But yeah, reputation, like most heuristics, are conceptually positive (they can be ill-informed, but conceptually extremely positive).
I don't think none of the value that has been created since the existence of mitochondria would have been possible without it.
This captures it very well nostr:nevent1qqstw2agk7ddked0pj42l69c5866j2ja05cfc3p42tjyah0skg0uslgppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj77rrmd6
Reputation, whether it’s called “social credit scores” or something else, is necessary and unavoidable. Just like money, it becomes dystopian when it’s controlled centrally, but not when it’s decentralized.
btc != the dystopia of fiat, and likewise: decentralized reputation != the dystopia of centralized reputation.
The challenge, therefore, is how to decentralize it.
(I don’t know if you were implying otherwise. Just a point I felt was worth making. 😊)
Thank you! 💜
How does this effect privacy in your opinion?
How does decentralized reputation affect privacy? That’s a complicated question. But in the long run, in a good way, without a doubt.
For starters, think about what it’s going to replace. Just like bitcoin is going to be better at privacy-preservation than what it replaces (fiat), decentralized reputation is ultimately going to be better than things like CCP-style credit scores. But it’s more than that: the entire structure of surveillance capitalism will be replaced. The way I conceive of it, decentralized reputation is an inextricable part of a bigger picture: decentralized knowledge curation. If we want alternatives to centralized sources of news, we’re going to need tools to help us know where to get that information, from whom, on what topic, in what context. We won’t be able to do that without decentralized reputation.
It’s complicated, because with decentralized reputation and decentralized knowledge curation, you are going to be giving up some of your privacy, to some of the people, some of the time. The difference is that you’ll have exquisite control over which information, which people, under what circumstances, and why you give it up.
