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I'm just trying to examine "Apple vs Nokia" as a success by the free market -- but it is anything but that.

Not to mention of course the pillaging of natural resources and essential enslavement of labor in the global south to make iPhones competitive in the market.

Anti Spasti 2mo ago 💬 1

Uhhh, ok. I guess you and me we have super hardcore different world views. 😅

For me there is no enslavement of the labor of the south. I remember that example of these kids in india. The EU/UN tried hard to get them of this garbage dump places just to (in the end) push them into the only other option they had: prostitution.

Natural resources for me are just that: Natural resources. It‘s awesome and good that we have them and bringing them up the cheapest way is exactly what we all want. Producers, consumers AND workers. 🤷‍♂️

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Block Art Transmitted By Relays 2mo ago 💬 1

How does the state-free free market protect air and water for people that can not afford to physically defend their local resources when a capitalist with an army comes to take and/or pollute everything they need to survive?

Anti Spasti 2mo ago 💬 1

They don’t need to at all. Capitalist armies are extremely inefficient. They cost too much and bring no profit compared to free markets. Reputation is part of running a company too. It‘s much to easy to compete with someone perceived as evil.

Block Art Transmitted By Relays 2mo ago 💬 1

Ok. Fundamental disagreement. Consumers don't care about evil they care about price, and those who can afford it care about quality.

Anti Spasti 2mo ago

Yes. Fundamental disagreement is awesome. Nice to have a discussion with you :)

To an extend. I think: If a specific line is crossed they usually do care about morals too.

And even if they don‘t: Who are we to tell them what to do?!