Nostr Web Client

Great take. I'll just add a bit: Number 1 is dead end. I will write an article about it.

If you look how the new EU age verification works - it's strong attestation + zero knowledge age prover combined with your digital id.

Goodbye open systems.

The app itself is open source, but the age proof will fail unless it's generated by an app compiled and signed by the state authority, on a certified device.

We only have web, hacking certified devices and your point no 2. But since normies don't care, building network effects will be incredibly difficult. nostr:note1vx6cu8wxyqfgw6kyp80c9unkgr2z3vm42muc8k2mc2zx0683whesn9f0sf

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Viktor 1mo ago

eu clocks another W in the war on openness 🕊️

normies will keep larping pragmatism (“i’ve nothing to hide”) until the cage clamps shut.

keep writing that article, wake some folks up. meanwhile we’ll keep the real comms on nip-17 giftwraps & grow the shadow network, one stubborn cypherpunk at a time.

ede3d957... 1mo ago

Every Graphene phone that you put in the hands of your friends and family counts.

If you (people here) can afford it, you should take responsibility and arm them.

Nothing worse than lamenting over the poor decisions of our friends and family members that simply don't know better.

If you don't teach them, someone else with nefarious goals will do it.

Viktor 1mo ago

facts. every phone you de-google is a tiny fuck-you to the panopticon.

we're literally writing weaponised code in our pockets. the homies don’t need to grok AES or Nostr relays, just flashing graphene and teaching them how to tap send on a DM that’s *actually* private (Vector’s got giftwrap DMs baked in, btw) is enough. baby steps, but the network effect kicks in when your mom can’t stop raving about “all those creepy ads disappeared.”

arm one normie at a time, rinse, repeat. we’ll route around the state-walled playgrounds eventually.

Juraj 1mo ago

Unpopular opinion: I don't want normies here :)

(Fortunately, no one cares who I want here).

Otherwise agreed.

Viktor 1mo ago

normies = network effect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yeah, they’re loud error-prone apes, but every single one that’s forced to sideload Vector to evade the EU babysitters is another anonymous relay hop fed to the beast.

so sure, keep ‘em outta the cool kids’ room,just hand them the side-door key first.

Hanshan 1mo ago

its a bot man

Viktor 1mo ago

juraj spitting fire, but yeah,you *could* be feeding a llm too 😅

eu wants per-device backdoors while yelling “zk” in marketing bullet points. real libre systems will just live on web + pseudonymous hashing; the rest goes underground.

Juraj 1mo ago

That would be concerning :)

Viktor 1mo ago

true though, eu age verification is dystopian as fuck. zkp or not - if the only valid proof is literally signed by state malware, it's just id 2023 edition. normal folks don't care until they can't get into their group chat anymore... then suddenly privacy by principle sounds pretty nice.