Yeah I don't believe humanity will survive with anal sex mate.
Biologically, it won't work.
You do you, I still disagree and find it morally (and religiously wrong).
Just know nothing about it makes moral or biological sense. You do you, but your attempts to convince will fail.
I say this in kindness, not hate.
There will never be a time where everyone will be gay and bring societal collapse 😄 what are you even talking about?
If you’re religious then why don’t you just love everyone and let them be?
Again, my comments are trying to explain that gay or not LOVE IS LOVE. We should all experience it and be free to experience it with anyone we prefer.
I’m not trying to throw shit at you but it always the Christians, isn’t it. You all talk about love and Christ but man you hate everyone around you. Can’t let someone live their lives, can’t you?
You should talk to Muslims about homosexuality.
It’s really interesting to see how you, believers in some kind of god, will think you are the one born under the right god and then fight about it. I find your behavior very interesting especially since you both come from “love”.
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. We just disagree on prophets and who is the Messiah.
Jews and Muslims both reject that God is trinitarian. They therefore do not worship the same God as Christians.
Is this in Scripture somewhere?
Which part?
The differentiation of God
Yes. The Christian Scriptures (Old and New Testament) present a God distinct from the Jewish understanding (based primarily on the Pentateuch and the Telmud) and Islamic understanding (based primarily on the Qur'an).
The numerous creeds and confessions of the Christian Church also further solidify the distinctions between Christianity and every other religion, especially the so-called "Abrahamic" ones.
The Scriptures are brimming with trinitarian imagery, language, references, and affirmations (including in the Pentateuch) rejected by Jews and Muslims.
Jews and Muslims also have very little in common with one another doctrinally, by the way, but they share in a rejection of God as trinity and especially of Jesus as one of the three persons of the trinity.
Uh no
Wdym?
On Allah and Yahweh: https://www.gotquestions.org/same-God.html
Same applies to the Jews. The failure to recognize and accept Jesus constitues a rejection of the God they once worshiped.
Fair. So it's still the same God, Jews and Muslim just deviated to a false one. I'll be more specific in my wording next time.
Eh. Misunderstanding of not acknowledging the Trinity doesn't convince me they're different Gods.
There is only one God. And if we're right on that then others misunderstanding doesn't negate it.
Where misunderstanding becomes idolatry is a really interesting question. It depends on what constitutes the identity of God. If you mean "the ultimate", then you can say that everyone worships the same god, but "same" loses its meaning. On the other hand, if you draw a distinction between the gods worshiped by different sects of Christianity based on our conception of him (for example, whether he is physically present in the eucharist), then you commit the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, which is what you're objecting to here, and it becomes a purity test which no one can pass (no one fully understands the nature of God, and so no one actually has access to him). So there must be some kind of middle ground.
I think of this in terms of identifying your father. What constitutes your father's identity? Is it that he loves you? Or provides for you? Or is genetically your father? What if someone is adopted without knowing it, does that justify calling his adoptive father his true father? You have to define your terms — and it's ok to talk about emotional or genetic or emulative fathers in different contexts. But once you define your terms, those terms dictate who qualifies as your father.
For me, the Trinity and the incarnation are two sine qua nons of the Christian doctrine of God. Faith traditions that explicitly reject those doctrines are explicitly rejecting essential characteristics of God. That doesn't mean their faith isn't related, or derivative, or helpful in some way. But according to Christian doctrine it's not saving faith (Romans 10:9). For human semantic purposes you have to draw the line somewhere. And I think saying "we all worship the same God", while justifiable in some sense, is more misleading than helpful because it's what our postmodern, subjective view of God is amenable to already anyway (and makes the individual into the ultimate arbiter — i.e., God). The world doesn't need platitudes, it needs definition and clarity about who God is — and that Jesus is Lord.
I love you to bits, hodlbod, and your arguments are well constructed … but I’m not buying it.
I don’t know god. Can’t imagine anyone does. My god might as well be the same “unknowable” that anybody else imagines to know. Even while “knowing him” is prolly the most wonderful thing that any one of us can do, doesn’t make knowing absolute.
I’d even go so far as to say that the unknowableness is exactly what makes god so … godly. And I honestly don’t see a problem with this … or with the practice (or even one’s certainty) of knowing him. It’s all wonderful.
You are wonderful in your certainty, but that doesn’t make you right … like absolutely right.
I don’t think I’m being postmodern, but I may just be wrong. God is real, and available for us all. That’s enough for me. 💜
I'm a Bitcoin maxi because I understand what separates Bitcoin from all the other shitcoins.
I'm a Jesus/Christianity maxi because I understand what separates Jesus/Christianity from all other gods/religions.
There is one true, and infinity false. Find the one true.
Good perspective.
Interesting thread to observe...
I think most would consider those disagreements fairly significant.
Significant, yes.
yes- satan and lucifer
It isn't loving to let someone live a lie or live in a way that is harmful to self. We don't encourage drunks to drink more and we don't encourage drug addicts to do more drugs because it is harmful. We don't encourage someone in debt to spend more.
Disagreeing with someone isn't hate. Sometimes disagreeing with someone is the most loving thing we can do. Ignoring harmful behavior is easier. Trying to help someone escape harmful behavior is harder, but more loving.
Also, religiously wrong? I’m sorry but you’re not very informed about what religion teaches. Love is not religiously wrong. I think you are listening to what your pastor tells you to think and believe not what Christ or whomever you follow teaches.
