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its not anybodys fault you don't know what words mean.

this is optional transparency by design, it is NOT information that is concealed from the sender. no effort is required to uncover it, there is no concealment.

ie, not "tracing"

and if you were intellectually honest you would present it that way.

the fact you dont indicates you are deliberately trying to deceive people.

Super Testnet 7mo ago

> this is optional transparency by design

It is "letting the sender trace his payment" be design and it gives chain analysts a great first step in tracing a series of monero transactions

> there is no concealment

That's the flaw

> i.e. not tracing

Only in bizarro world does the first step of a trace not count. In the real world, we "start at the very beginning, a very good place to start," to quote Mary Poppins. But in your world, apparently that is a terrible place to start -- it's not even real tracing (says you)! Question: then why do all the tracers start there?

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Hanshan 7mo ago

lol

you are so full of bullshit.

nobody said "the first step of a trace doesn't count"

I said "the sender knowing the address of the recipient isn't 'tracing the transaction.'"

because it isn't.

and nobody except for intellectually dishonest scammers would try and argue that it is.

why are you so afraid of presenting the tradeoffs in an honest and straightforward way?

Super Testnet 7mo ago

> I said "the sender knowing the address of he recipient isn't 'tracing the transaction'"

...but that *is* the first step of a trace. If it "isn't tracing" then it obviously "doesn't count" as tracing (in your worldview) so why is it dishonest for me to say so? I'm just pointing out how silly it is to say that "identifying the recipient of tx A" doesn't count as tracing when that's how all tracing starts. Why do all tracers start there if that's not tracing? Why do they always either send money to the target themselves or find someone who already did and get the tx info from them?

To me it is obvious why they do that: because monero makes this part easy, it gives the sender (and anyone they share the data with) cryptographic proof of wat pubkey has the money which allows them to watch the blockchain to see where that pubkey shows up next. This is tracing 101.

Hanshan 7mo ago

much cope here.

it isnt silly to say "the sender knowing the recipient isn't tracing"

because it isnt.

yes, there are problems with ring signatures. we know and have known for years.

stop misrepresenting what those problems are.