Replying to Avatar Kevin's Bacon

Was in a debate with a statist at work today. Every time she sensed I had a logical argument that actually addressed her problem with what I was saying, she would change the subject or equivocate between words or put words in my mouth that we had already established were not things I asserted. She did so many mental gymnastics, I've seldom ever seen such a display up close and in person to such an extent.

At some point she said "just because you believe something doesn't make it true," after demonstrating that she believes stuff just because other people believe it, like majority rule. She became so done with me I had to push her to let me respond to that after a Gish gallop of nonsense and calling me an idealist, ironically. When she finally let me respond I said something to the effect of, "yes, just because you believe something doesn't make it true; just because you believe the majority rule system that violates the consent of the minority that we have is the best option doesn't make that true, and you have not demonstrated any reason whatsoever why it is better, therefore you have failed to defend your position one iota, even if I failed to convince you of mine: you lose this debate, or at least you have not won."

This was also after attacking my goal of theorizing about "pointless" or "useless" things and ignored my logical arguments about why scientific theory is necessary for the engineer to fix a broken machine, even if he cannot create a perfect machine.

I made it clear she knows I don't think of her as a reasonable person and I said goodbye (this was all after shift for funzies, she likes to debate with people a lot, but she doesn't like to intellectualize in a way honest with her self, I now see)

This is the face of evil. Willful ignorance. Which she projected on me of course. Fiat Christians kind of irk me but I couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic her retreats into mental backflips were. It may work on less logical people, because she is genuinely intelligent, but it will never work on me.

Interesting note, somewhat of a rant, which is my favorite kind of note on Nostr.

Would you care to elaborate on your point about fixing a machine without being able to build a perfect one?

What was that in reference to?

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Rants on nostr are great.

So, she said that sitting here theorizing my economic and legal theory was useless, because in her mind, the theory cannot be used to make a statist world a better place.

I asked do engineers study physics? Do they not spend time investigating the truth of the physical world in the precise ways it works in a vacuum, before they go create machines or attempt to improve broken ones?

It is perfectly analogous. The theory can be applied to make an excellent machine or a perfect solution to the given problem, if it is possible. It can also be used to improve an existing machine without fitting the bill 100%. Either way, the theorizing, that is, the production of scientific understanding and its study, not only helps, but is usually a prerequisite for any significant improvement or prevention of making it worse.