It's not about me. You guys evade almost everyone's input and now you're just stealing features from non-kyc clients and representing them as your own innovations. Honestly, I feel as if I have better intentions for nostr than you guys. You guys KYC... you collect user data... you said you don't collect data🙄. You're incentivized to take commands from your VC masters. You're a centralized platform, not a client.
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Lucas, we‘ve built Primal for convenience. We KYC to a custodial wallet partnered with Strike, for convenience. We collect query information to improve search performance.
You need to realize that for Nostr to grow, there needs to be familiar and convenient methods for normies. Otherwise, users will go to a place like Damus and never see the real potential of Nostr. The whole “Nostr is decentralized” phrase isn’t going to work.
Nostr is not just a place for privacy and decentralization freaks. It’s a place for everyone to connect and build their platforms on, however they choose.
Please, instead of just commenting on how devs need to do things, just do them yourself. You’ll realize that you’re not right about everything.
1. That's unnecessary
2. From everything I've observed, using Damus or Amethyst seems to give users a better understanding of Nostrs potential. And I have already onboarded multiple people to use nostr because they grew sick and tired of centralized platforms. That phrase DID work.
3. We all know it's a place for everyone to connect. That ain't news. It's our job as a community to teach them why privacy and decentralization is vital to their livelihood. Something you are not doing.
4. I'm not a developer. I never said I believe I'm right about everything. Show me where I said that. I'm only commenting because user feedback is important and Primal devs don't seem to care about such a thing.
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That phrase does and will continue to work, for certain people. For the rest of the normie world, who have never experienced the issues of centralized platforms and never will, that phrase may be irrelevant.
Agree with me or not, I find it hard to believe that Nostr will grow to mainstream size with the only difference between us and centralized platforms being “decentralization”. In the real world, no one cares.
That phrase is irrelevant. I agree. But, who said we have to onboard the entire world? People will get left behind. That is a certainty. That is life. Too bad. They chose that. Focus on your current users and their needs.
If you don't see the full potential of decentralization, then why even work with nostr?
The point is that we need to have top-quality clients before we can begin to onboard those who are willing to engage on nostr. Primal is doing the opposite. You're doing exactly what the whole world is growing tired of.
nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09ug4n6q3 this has been bothering me a little. I want to hear your non-biased opinion on the second part of this statement.
And yet, many wallet providers don’t KYC.
And I use them on a daily basis. They’re great. But they aren’t exactly normie friendly/easy to use. This is the problem we’re tackling at Primal.
Which wallets are you using?
I use BlueWallet, Phoenix, Cashu, Zeus.
All on a regular basis.
What about nostr:nprofile1qqstxwlea9ah3u6kjjszu6a7lrnhqkfh8eptp2z6v0e9558tlkkl2rgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszxnhwden5te0wfjkccte9ekkjmnfvf5hguewvdshx6p0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0wsvavr? They seem to work just fine.
Non-KYC wallets having bad UX does not automatically imply for good UX you need KYC.
Quite the opposite.
If you’ve never used our wallet due to KYC, how could you possibly imply that it has bad UX?
I did not say your wallet has bad UX and I did not know where you got that idea.
Inherently, perfected KYC wallets will have worse UX than perfected nonKYC wallets because one does not ask for PII.
These types of responses are what’s making people stop believing Primal is acting in good faith. All criticism is deflected and responded to with aggression.
There’s no aggression here, Semisol. You implied that KYC wallets have bad UX. Your words, not mine.
Our POV is most users are willing to sacrifice their KYC for convenience and good UX. There are non privacy and decentralization freaks that exist.
The only functionality Primal could not provide without KYC is buying sats.
The solution is to KYC only if people want to buy sats.
If your goal is to allow mass adoption, the first instinct should not be “yes let’s ask users that have no idea what zaps are to give their PII to try it”
I now ask for one feature, which is for users or caching services to be able to change the wallet.primal.net endpoint.
Then you're philosophically misaligned with nostrs chief principles. Did you ever stop to wonder why why primal is behind on so many previously integrated features despite all your funding? Why non-KYC clients have made further (and quicker) progress than primal?
Primal's adoption rate seems to continue to grow. Now just like you, this is only my perception based on onboarding and community events, I don't have numbers to back up this claim. What is Primal behind on? What features don't they have that you'd like to see?
All the while more and more people are continuing to complain about it. Deletion of notes, which has been around since I first showed up and numerous relay-related issues that the Gitcitadel team has brought to my attention. And their arguments are valid. As for things I'd like to see: obviously non-kyc, a lack of algorithm, and the lack of search data collection.
I don't zap when using primal because I'm not going to KYC. It's great that you have a default wallet that just works, an advanced setting to set up your own wallet with NWC would be great.
