This is why a get really damn skeptical of people who try to subordinate logic to some arbitrary interpretation of scripture. I'm like no, asshole, be mindful of the logic. Be aware of your own lack of knowledge.

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I get what you’re saying, and I agree that humility matters. We shouldn’t trust ourselves because we all mess up. But the point of Scripture isn’t to shut down logic, it’s to ground it. Without God’s Word, our reasoning drifts wherever we want it to go. Real humility is trusting the One who actually knows, not just our own guesses.

I don't trust my guesses. That's a ridiculous characterization of my stance and I'm tired of hearing it. I feel like a lot of Christians don't understand logic or have never taken the time to think it all through, and as someone who has always been rigorously intellectually honest, I can never see life the way they do. It's frankly pathetic the way that they think. It's not something I care for. So no I don't guess. I deduce, and I read the word of God written in the creation all around me. We were gifted reason, and I use it.

Creation reveals patterns, order, cause and effect ie. natural law. but without God’s revelation, we miss ultimate purpose. You can see the clock, but you’ll never truly know the clockmaker unless He tells you.

Faith doesn’t oppose reason, it completes it. Your intellect isn’t being limited; it’s being grounded in the One who actually built reality. That’s how reasoning stops being borrowed and starts being truly true.

I tried reading the Bible to understand my purpose. Although it added to my understanding of the universe and to my understanding of morality, it did not on its own teach me my purpose. I had to figure that out from many things. I think this conception of the utility of scripture is faulty as applies me.

And I was not saying anything in denial of scripture or using it to inform your understanding, I simply assert that you need logic to be able to interpret the thing correctly and verify you are not mistaken.

I appreciate this conversation.

Thanks, me too!