Pretty good interview with Jaron Lanier from 5 years ago.

Nothing particularly novel or mind-blowing (for tech-savvy folks) in his analysis, but he's fairly eloquent and answers well.

What was especially interesting to listen to, were the part where he talks about alternative types of social media, in light of #Nostr (and other open platforms like #ActivityPub).

Nostr might be a way to deconstruct the "manipulation machine".