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There certainly is a lot of good that we want to maintain. I’m at a loss for exactly how to do it.

But at the very least, getting more people to realize how far they are from theoretical maximum freedom, to realize the social contract is a theoretical construct and not a reality, to think about whether they think Hobbes was right, that seems like a productive start.
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nobody 2y ago

I whole heartedly agree. It is a great thing to discuss. The more discussion had, the more dialogue and genuine debate, the higher the chances that we end up with an idea and implementation that minimizes the risk and moves the goal forward.

And increasing freedom is a worthy goal.

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plebiANON 2y ago

We can talk about it all we want, we can even have good institutions along the way, but as long as they are run by humans, they will tend toward corruption eventually. This was the whole point of the Protestant reformation, but that’s a topic for another day.

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nobody 2y ago

Indeed. Along with the counter reformation. But I agree it’s best left for another day.

But we don’t want to get rid of humans. But I think changing the hearts must come before changing the institutions will have any meaningful impact.

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plebiANON 2y ago

Definitely don’t want to get rid of humans. Human maxi here. I am not sure we need institutions to allow human greatness to flourish though. Human nature will also never fully flourish because it is corrupted. This is the fall of man and a never ending battle against our nature. Back to Protestant faith again.