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So Australia is your answer? The place where you can go to prison for thought crimes?

Maybe the concepts of freedom are personal, subjective even, and the only measure of freedom is whether you can be left to live as you wish, think and say what you want, while also being able to realise your dreams.

The last one is complex. If you are retarded, are you less free, or does the retardation not allow you to see your limitations, and thus you really are free? lol

That's why I say freedom is subjective in nature. Sure the less 'legal' or 'social' limitations on you is one measure, but I think it goes beyond that.

P.S. None of this is to say America is less free than X or Y ( unless they think it is themselves ofc )

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HODL 7mo ago

Freedom is objective to me. Everything is objective to me.

Moid 7mo ago

Interesting. So how you feel about it is irrelevant?

Serious question - not a gotcha.

HODL 7mo ago

I try not to put a lot of emphasis on my feelings.

Moid 7mo ago

I read some works from a chap named Isiah Berlin, and went back to it several times.

It shifted how I think about freedoms, and the objectivity bit. I once would have said the same thing. Terribly complex, and fraught with danger.

Many ills in the world were sewn by people who believed to their core that what they deemed freedom, was universal.

John 7mo ago

"To me"

HODL 7mo ago

Touche

finity 7mo ago

Is your definition more objective than a basket of measurable metrics?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

HODL 7mo ago

Yes.

finity 7mo ago

Lol...so the debate is then settled.

By your personal highly selective definition, America is the freest place on earth.

I agree.