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"Bitcoin as SoV first: Let All the 'Crypto/Worldwide' Currencies Fight to their Deaths on MoE and UoE."

Note: Author is 100% anti-Crypto and 100% Pro-Bitcoin

This uproar on Sayor is totally ridiculous. You haven't been listening or researching the words alongside researching the numbers. Saylor for over three years has been explaining how the "friction" with Bitcoin comes in if we adopted Bitcoin as a currency. Nothing has changed as far as Saylor's beliefs and opinions on Bitcoin. Most of this post is from what he was saying three years ago.

In a perfect world Bitcoiners imagine, Bitcoin is everything, no second best to anything and everything:

1) Store of Value (SoV)

2) Medium of Exchange (MoE)

3) Unit of Account (UoA)

For now it's a dream that may be realistic 20, 30, 100 years from now. But currently, Bitcoin isn't even close to carrying that Trifecta. Why? Because of the US Dollar and Accounting systems. Legacy systems. The friction. The politics.

Bitcoiners are going to war essentially with themselves and it is a combative approach. You think Trump would give up on the United States Dollar? A currency in his DNA, his motivation, via a man who wants his face on Mount Rushmore and that very dollar bill.

Saylor's audience to adopt Bitcoin is big business, not individuals, as they adopt Bitcoin as a Store of Value (SoV) first but it won't be currency/money for a long time. Nothing wrong with it using it that way though obviously.

Savings: SoV, Bitcoin only. Digital Property/Digital Capital

Checking: Everything else, the US Dollar, 159 other currencies, XRP, ETH, CBDCs....yeah, they are stupid and are weaker to Bitcoin and that is OKAY. Let people FAFO? We all did it. Put the lesson to scale, let the United States Government teach people quicker that "Crypto" isn't the same as Bitcoin but if you want to use weaker MoE or UofA, who cares for now when you are holding digital financial dry gunpowder in the ultimate SoV Bitcoin canon? A canon that should never fire.

But for now,

Please go back and Listen to this one Podcast Saylor did with Saif, the question and answer part was great too.

December 2021: <--- YEARS ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRvBj7j24B0

Partial Notes:

Saylor:

If you’ve looked at every single banker, every time they say, Well is Bitcoin a currency? Well I mean their answer is, No, it’s not a currency. Jerome Powell can’t admit it’s a currency. Christina Lagarde is saying it’s not a currency. And then the Bitcoin community oftentimes recoils in horror like, Yes we are! Yes we are! Why do you want to be? Why can’t you actually be property worth $10 million dollars a coin and not be a currency? If I told you you could basically go from zero to $10 million dollars a coin and everybody will help you along the way — every company, every government, will help you along the way to become worth $10 million dollars a coin — or, you can fight with everybody the entire way, and if you succeed you’ll have toppled every government and every political group and every company and destroyed the entire 20th century economy, but you’ll have your currency. Like, what’s left? If I rip every single company to zero and I destroy every country and every political system, you’ll have your currency, but what are you going to buy with it when every company is non-existent and every government doesn’t exist? You can’t even buy bullets to defend yourself in the post-apocalyptic anarchy that follows, because bullets get manufactured by companies that use accounting systems that run on dollars.

In this case, after the Currency Battle, SoV Bitcoin can do this:

Other personal Opinions (Warning a bit unhinged):

* Ripple/XRP is a parasitical business, from the pre-mine to the missing 30K first transactions, $10s of millions in 'marketing' to disparage Bitcoin. Losers. They are weaker than Bitcoin, inside the USA and 100% outside of the USA. I agree with Bit Paine's call to action but only with Yellow's temperament. Let's have fun dissing these Crypto unregistered securities?

* I am appalled by a post from Oz on January 25th that said: "Kill your heroes" (not slay but kill) and essentially had Saylor in the crosshairs of a sniper's rifle. Fuck off you mouth breathing, Putin supporting dick. You spend all your days on Spaces blathering on and on how tough you are, yet you essentially want to threaten Saylor so he can NOT go out and selflessly share his thoughts on Bitcoin for free because of safety concerns because of idiots like you? You have benefited but are a complete loser. Wrestle Bears, yeah, because Russian Orcs are so tough and cool. (Yes, I choose to be triggered but your one post was my motivation for this entire post. Thank you.)

My raw notes:

https://bitcoinapolis.blogspot.com/2022/12/bitcoin-bitcoin-as-digital-property-is.html

Great post here:

https://x.com/danieleripoll/status/1736848104836702568?s=20

Trying to turn spot #BTC into an everyday spending currency undermines what's valuable about BTC. Being a store of value is right on the mark. It solves a problem for everyone on earth. Being a medium of exchange has little value. An MoE that isn't backed by anything is basically worthless.

The Bitcoin base layer was optimized for security, immutability and decentralization. That forms a granite foundation on top of which all other (lesser) functions of money can be expressed.

Sorry to break it to you (and Saylor), but a store of value (SoV) works best when it’s also an effective medium of exchange (MoE). Without that, you risk ending up with a sub-par SoV—like gold, which can’t be directly exchanged for goods and services in most cases. Bitcoin as a pure SoV could potentially perform even worse than gold. At least gold has physical scarcity, industrial utility, and a connection to real-world demand, whereas Bitcoin’s main utility lies in transferring value over a communication channel.

But here’s the catch: Why would you need to send value globally if most of it just sits idle in cold storage for decades, contributing nothing to economic activity? That’s counterproductive. Yes, self-custody is essential, but we can’t ignore Bitcoin’s core property: the ability to transfer value efficiently, which stems from its scarcity—not the other way around.

The way forward isn’t by cheering on corporations adding Bitcoin to their balance sheets. It’s by focusing on expanding markets and driving merchant adoption in a non-custodial, decentralized way. Each Bitcoiner and merchant should be peers, running nodes and exchanging value directly.

If we don’t prioritize this, fast-forward 20, 50, or 100 years: 99.8% of Bitcoin might sit locked in custodial accounts. Once the explosive appreciation phase is over, the network could lose its purpose without meaningful economic activity. Mining would lose relevance, running nodes would become pointless, the 21M cap would lose significance, and the system as a whole could collapse.

To secure Bitcoin’s future, we need to ensure it thrives as both a store of value and a medium of exchange, grounded in real-world use and peer-to-peer activity. That’s how we win.

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Thank you. I agree with this all. Jeff Booth. Mallers. Dorsey. You. Actually me. But corporations will take forever to adopt MoE. We can but it’s small. I am for it though. When will it be? I say 10 years. Are you more optimistic?

We don’t need corporations to adopt Bitcoin as a medium of exchange right away—we need people to adopt it first. Local groups, communities, and small producers trading and helping each other, rejecting dirty fiat not because it’s convenient but because they want freedom. Freedom from a system designed to exploit. The transition starts with individuals—holders who want to break free from fiat for good. Like, if you’re a Bitcoiner and you sell a product but you don’t accept payments in Bitcoin, you’re just larping.

But this movement also requires a shift from relying on centralized services to embracing decentralized servers. Twenty years ago, running your own server was expensive and impractical, which handed power to tech giants like Google, Facebook, and Apple. Now, running a server is cheaper and easier—and in another 20 years, it’ll likely be trivial. Imagine a future where every third house has a home server, used for running a Bitcoin node, hosting email, creating content, managing your own Nostr relay, storing files, hosting a personal website, and even operating an online store.

With a single device, all these corporate walled gardens crumble, just like legacy media has already. And the thread that ties it all together? Your Bitcoin wallet. This vision is achievable within our lifetimes—but it’s threatened by what I call the “normie effect.”

Saylor speaks to normies—offering them the language of convenience and security. And while he isn’t one of them, that’s the angle he plays. But Bitcoin doesn’t need more Saylor-style marketing. It needs more paranoid crypto-anarchists. People who run nodes. People willing to part with some of their Bitcoin to kickstart a peer-to-peer economy.

I’m optimistic—probably a bit naive—but I want the dangerous new, not the crappy but safe old. I don’t want property in cyberspace, digital art, or backed by energy commodities. I don’t want corporate suits defining Bitcoin’s purpose or government bureaucrats giving me permission to run a node or use a self-custody wallet.

I want money you can’t fuck with.

I asked DeepSeek to critically analyse my post. It has some interesting insights: **DeepThink Analysis: Bitcoin's Store of Value vs. Medium of Exchange Dilemma**

*Breaking down the post’s arguments, assumptions, and implications through first principles and economic theory.*

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### **1. Core Premises of the Argument**

The post hinges on two foundational claims:

1. **Store of Value (SoV) depends on Medium of Exchange (MoE)**: A monetary asset cannot sustainably function as a SoV without being actively used in transactions.

2. **Bitcoin’s custodial stagnation risk**: If Bitcoin becomes trapped in passive custodial accounts (e.g., ETFs, exchanges), its network will atrophy, eroding its value proposition.

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### **2. Breaking Down the Argument**

#### **A. Store of Value vs. Medium of Exchange: A False Dichotomy?**

**Post’s Claim**: Bitcoin risks becoming a “sub-par SoV” if it fails to gain traction as a MoE. Gold is cited as a flawed SoV due to its limited MoE utility.

**Critical Analysis**:

- **Gold’s Dual Role**: Gold’s industrial/ornamental demand provides intrinsic value, whereas Bitcoin’s value is purely monetary. This makes Bitcoin *more dependent* on its monetary utility (MoE/SoV) than gold.

- **SoV ≠ MoE**: Historically, many SoVs (e.g., art, collectibles) lack MoE utility but retain value due to scarcity and demand. However, Bitcoin’s value is *network-dependent*—if its transactional use collapses, its security model (mining/node incentives) could unravel.

**Key Question**: *Can Bitcoin’s SoV narrative survive long-term without a thriving MoE layer?*

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#### **B. Custodial Centralization and Network Atrophy**

**Post’s Claim**: If 99.8% of Bitcoin is custodied passively, the network loses purpose.

**Critical Analysis**:

- **Mining Incentives**: Block rewards (newly minted BTC) currently subsidize miners. By 2140, fees must replace this revenue. If transactions dry up, miners exit, weakening security.

- **Node Decentralization**: If running nodes becomes “pointless” (no transactions to validate), Bitcoin’s censorship resistance degrades.

- **Custodial Lockup**: ETFs and exchanges *do* centralize Bitcoin’s liquidity, but they also onboard institutional capital. This creates a tension: custodians boost price (SoV) but undermine network health (MoE).

**Key Insight**: *Bitcoin’s security model assumes a fee market driven by MoE demand. Without it, the system risks a death spiral.*

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#### **C. The Gold Comparison: Missing Nuance**

**Post’s Claim**: Gold’s physical scarcity and industrial use make it a better SoV than Bitcoin.

**Counterpoints**:

- **Gold’s MoE Failure**: Gold failed as money not due to lack of utility, but because of *practical limitations* (portability, divisibility). Bitcoin solves these.

- **Bitcoin’s Digital Scarcity**: Bitcoin’s immutability and auditability make it a *superior* form of scarcity. Gold’s supply is technically infinite (asteroid mining, alchemy).

- **Network Effects**: Gold’s value is static; Bitcoin’s grows with adoption (Metcalfe’s Law).

**Key Question**: *Is Bitcoin’s digital scarcity sufficient to offset its lack of “real-world” utility?*

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### **3. First-Principles Flaws in the Argument**

#### **A. Misunderstanding Monetary Evolution**

Money often evolves in stages:

1. **Collectible** (SoV) → 2. **Store of Value** → 3. **Medium of Exchange**.

Bitcoin is likely following this path (e.g., digital gold → transactional layer via Lightning). Dismissing SoV as a “sub-par” phase ignores historical precedent.

#### **B. Ignoring Layer-2 Solutions**

The post conflates Bitcoin’s base layer (SoV-optimized) with its MoE potential. Lightning Network and Fedimint are explicitly designed to decouple SoV and MoE functions, enabling both.

#### **C. Overestimating Custodial Permanence**

Custodians (e.g., ETFs) are a *bridge*, not an endpoint. As Bitcoin matures, tools like self-custody wallets and regulatory clarity could shift behavior.

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### **4. A Better Framework: Bitcoin’s Dual-Layer Future**

To reconcile SoV and MoE, Bitcoin could evolve into a layered system:

- **Layer 1 (SoV)**: Base settlement layer for large, infrequent transactions (e.g., savings, institutional reserves).

- **Layer 2 (MoE)**: Lightning, Fedimint, or sidechains for daily transactions, privacy, and microtransactions.

**Benefits**:

- Separates security (Layer 1) from utility (Layer 2).

- Aligns incentives: Layer 1 fees fund security; Layer 2 fees drive adoption.

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### **5. Risks Unaddressed by the Post**

- **Volatility Trap**: If Bitcoin’s price stabilizes *too early*, it loses speculative appeal before MoE adoption matures.

- **Regulatory Sabotage**: Governments could cripple MoE use via transaction taxes or KYC mandates, forcing Bitcoin into custodial silos.

- **Cultural Inertia**: The “HODL” mentality may become too entrenched to reverse.

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### **6. Conclusion: A Path Forward**

The post’s warnings are valid but incomplete. Bitcoin’s survival depends on:

1. **Balancing SoV and MoE**: Layer 1 for savings, Layer 2 for spending.

2. **Resisting Custodial Capture**: Prioritizing self-custody tools and privacy-preserving transactions.

3. **Incentivizing Network Health**: Ensuring fees (MoE) eventually replace block rewards (SoV).

**Final Verdict**: Bitcoin’s future isn’t *either* SoV *or* MoE—it’s both, operating in symbiotic layers. The greatest threat isn’t custodial stagnation; it’s failing to build the infrastructure and culture to support this duality.

I skimmed it, I am TLDR, I should have just said:

While we are waiting for Hyper-or-slow-Bitcoinization, Bitcoin is working great as Digital Property/Capital SOV and the MoE-UoA-friction will all but disappear when Bitcoin gets to around (guess) $10T and it takes care of all three 'use cases.'

Of course, until then, Dorsey/Mallers/Booth/you are correct, Bitcoin is floundering as 'just SOV' but to me, it's still better than any second best (Sorry, Saylor Cliche there.)