Nostr Web Client

nostr is basically this block fabric tho. consider the format of discussion trees. root, and parent reply, and for extra funsies, usually tagging every single person in the discussion.

but there's no logical way to determine token issuance or fungibility from such a scheme. however, discussions are a currency of sorts, or at least a way to earn it.

the real problem is about who stores it, and how you get people to use the protocol to draw the viewers, and then you have to monetise their viewership somehow. those are already solved problems for the centralised networks. i think the whole point of nostr was to eliminate the viability of that, just that most people don't really realise that was the point of it, and carry on like rockstars anyway. primal helps keep this fantasy alive.

Daniel Wigton 6mo ago

Sort of, but nostr is it in miniature and every note is a new genesis block. There is also no real way to merge branches of the discussion back together.

But you did hit on some of the problems that I didn't mention. Token issuance being a big one.

My more recent ideas solve that, but I do have a centralization problem I need to solve. My current idea is completely decentralized in a way Blockchains can never be, but like anarchy, it opens the door for local bullies to force those around them to go through them. Your local supermarket, hospital, or bank for instance could start deciding which payments they want recognize.

I may need to take my current idea and back it with Bitcoin or something. Then it just kind of ends up being Lightning all over again.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago

IOTA and i think Cardano use "block tangles" and i think some space chain shit that Bram Cohen is involved with, or was that um... some sprout thing...

there has been multiple attempts at doing concurrent chains. ah yeah, ICP is another one. And arweave too. all the hype about "rollups" is about this, and Liquid is basically a kind of concurrent chain attached to bitcoin, and all those ordinals are another kind of concurrent chain attached to bitcoin.

the thing is, they don't really solve a problem that wasn't already addresed by IP, DNS and HTTP... making the data transparently redundant, is something that nostr or similar type of event protocol is uniquely capable of doing though. IPFS is also similar, in that it has a primary key based on the content of the event data. but the real challenge is making it into a "consensus"

i think the problem is, you don't need to. you just pick your data sets, replicate them, and spiders can index everything and locate it. it's not a consensus, it's just a self-mapping system.

what's already happening to nostr's kind 1 feed and associated user metadata is already sprawling into a hive of near total replicas of the same data set, at least in the short time scale.

what i find most appealing about the protocol though, is the fact it lets you build anything on top of it. except for the One True Money Ledger bitcoin. but you can build a facebook, a snapshat, an instagram, a twitter. it is just a generic, open format for the same type of data those sites work with, that is deliberately designed to be leaky, so anyone can repurpose the data if they can read it.