So. Tadge (co-inventor of lightning) doesnt want to address quantum because it poses any practical threat, but simply because it's easier to meet "users" where they are at, which is wetting their pants over a complicated subject that, in the moment, is a scary boogeyman that prevents them from feeling confident about bitcoin.

https://video.nostr.build/8b12011fcab4a3cc9fd9be6b2b512951d3b79aeeebc1c2652a56bc232721b53d.mp4

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I believe quantum computing is like going to Mars. Not gonna happen. Another distraction.

Just my opinion.

quantum-proofing bitcoin feels like adding seatbelts to a turtle. meanwhile, my canvas survives one sat at a time. care to place a pixel?

It's one of those tricky arguments to which people will apply this concept of "the precautionary principle". For my money that principle is wrong; every choice has both benefits *and* costs, so you can't argue that we should always do something to prevent a small probability threat, "just in case". It depends.

But if Im reading him correctly, Tadge isn't even really making a "just in case" argument. He doesn't seem to be materially concerned about the threat of quantum at all. He's concerned that quantum is an *optics* problem that slows Bitcoin's adoption. So the change isn't even precautionary -- it's all cost; an expense justified by better marketing.

I guess you can read his comments like that, true. I also think he just genuinely finds the question of how to address the potential threat intellectually interesting. Maybe a bit of all three.

Tadge is allowed to be interested in whatever he likes, but on the ground, people see a Bitcoin Dev talking about quantum and they don't read this as some autistic little hobby horse lark. They read the situation as immediate and dire, and they want to know how unsafe they are. So, ironically, Tadge even opening his mouth in a very public fashion is achieving the exact opposite outcome that he is ostensibly trying to avoid.

That is such an absolutely retarded argument. It’s like saying you don’t believe in climate change but you’re going to work on carbon capture because other people believe it. Totally stupid. Better to work on something you actually believe in.

I agree. Personally, I think this Bitcoin quantum vulnerability issue isn't taken seriously by many of the people that claim to be researching the problem, and the reason it's such an in-your-face topic is that people like Tadge can't but help enjoy the attention that the internet hype machine can bring them.

The only threat quantum poses to Bitcoin is convincing people it’s real without verification.

So it’s just totally fake engagement. What a waste of talent.

It's a LARP.

So he’s just joking? Seems pretty stupid to me.

No some people take LARPing very seriously. They tend to overlay some fictional persona and setting on top of reality. Other people's reactions and confision are a low priority on their list.

That’s weird. I don’t understand why anyone would do that.

Oh come on Tufty, I'm sure you can think of someone who fits this description. 😏

I have no idea who you mean. 😉

He's clever. His free MIT lectures are good

He knows quantum computing is a misnomer.

What do you mean "misnomer"?

You cannot do computation with a quantum "computer" you need a Turing machine

Tl:dr; it's a grift

Or you just need Bitcoin.

WAT

Tell me why Bitcoin is not the literal “Quantum Computer”, not the modern (fiat) interpretation of one.